Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

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itaa
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Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby itaa » 9 May 2018, 12:40pm

Needed low rolling resistance new tyres for my other summer cruiser bike,
originally dismissed the Voyager Hypers as they were quite expensive and the ones from schwalbe offered more bang for the $.

However now came upon these reduced? Vittoria Voyager wired oners

The Folding Hypers get insanely good rolling resistance:
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... hyper-2016

However Are the Folding ones and the wired ones are the same and would give the same performance/rolling resistance or they are actually 2 very different tyres?

Here are the 2:
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOHY/ ... lding-tyre
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOWT/ ... wired-tyre

The thread looks a little bit different on them?
What's the deal with them? Anyone knows?

Brucey
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Re: Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby Brucey » 9 May 2018, 1:23pm

in the link for the wired tyre the blurb mentions 'hyper' but nothing else does. The title is plain 'vittoria voyager', the pictures are of plain voyagers (although the cream and grey ones do look like hypers in fact) and the original RRP is for a plain voyager tyre too.

There are such things as wired voyager hypers, but I think (with the possible exception of the white and grey ones, if they are as depicted) those ain't them. The plain voyager is alright for a £10 tyre but it is no hyper, having a coarser carcass fabric and a significantly higher rolling resistance.

So by all means buy them but they may not be as described and may have to go back.

Hypers should look like this
Image

plain Voyagers look like this
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with a different tread pattern (amongst other things)

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Randy_Butternubs
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Re: Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby Randy_Butternubs » 9 May 2018, 4:11pm

IIRC it's only the Hypers with the folding bead that have the supple, 120tpi casing. I think wire-beaded Hypers exist but have the less supple casing. Vittoria switched up the naming of their tyres at one point which adds confusion - I think it was the old Randonneur Pro that is now called the Voyager (plain) but I could be wrong about that.

Your second Planet X link looks very confused (not surprising for them) so I second what Brucey says - you could give them a go but will probably have to send them back.

Brucey
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Re: Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby Brucey » 9 May 2018, 5:23pm

I bought some brown wire bead hypers from P-X (about three years ago) and they had the correct tread and sidewall marking but had a coarser carcass fabric than black folding ones. However others have reported buying brown wired ones with a fine carcass fabric, so there is a mystery thee to be solved.

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reohn2
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Re: Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby reohn2 » 9 May 2018, 6:10pm

Folding Voyager Hypers are 120TPI casing which = fast,light and supple
Wired Voyagers 60TPI casing which = slow,heavy and not supple.
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Brucey
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Re: Vittoria Voyager - Are these 2 tyres the same? Any Good?

Postby Brucey » 9 May 2018, 6:27pm

IIRC there was a model called the 'randonneur hyper' that was simply renamed 'voyager hyper' .

'Randonneur pro' was a tyre with an identical carcass to the hyper models but it was a heavier tyre that had a thicker (and slower running) tread.

The low Crr of the hyper comes from the combination of

- fine carcass
- minimal puncture protection
- minimal tread thickness/pattern

It is also built light for the width it is. They rang the changes and made all kinds of other tyres with similar names but the others were all less fast tyres, even if they were cheaper or (theoretically) longer lasting etc.

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