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cerimania
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Replacing crank for begginer!

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Hi I have damaged the threading for the pedals on the right side of my crank arm so need to replace the entire crank :/

This is my bike http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/m ... -20-frames

I am looking at this crank https://www.tredz.co.uk/.SR-Suntour-CW- ... _89732.htm, so part one is, is thisd the right crank for my bike and number of gears??

Also I dont have any of the correct tools for the job or grease, couuld someone point me to the correct tool, tools?

I have seen these two but not sure if correct or I need more tools to complete?

https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Ice-Toolz-Delu ... _37713.htm
https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Fenwicks-Assem ... 101996.htm

All help appreciated :) I am a beginner on bike maintenance :)
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Hi. Good on you for having a go. Yes indeed that's the right crankset and the tool is right too. Do look online for removal vid as its crucial that tool goes in straight. The crank threads are vunerable to cross threading.
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cerimania
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Thank you :)
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cerimania
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peetee wrote:Hi. Good on you for having a go. Yes indeed that's the right crankset and the tool is right too. Do look online for removal vid as its crucial that tool goes in straight. The crank threads are vunerable to cross threading.



Thank you :)

In terms of the tools, is this all I need to remove and reinstall? Watching a halfords video it seemed straight forward. But they had a special torque wrench and pedal wrench, and "something to extract the whole crank etc... is this multi tool enough?
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Yes that should be enough but the tool seems to have 2 options to buy. I would try to clarify that with them cos I can't work it out.
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cerimania wrote:they had a special torque wrench

http://www.halfords.com/advice/cycling/how-to-guides/video-how-to-replace-a-crankset

I don't think much of that Halfords video: torque wrenches should not be used to undo bolts.

The Park Tool video linked below is more comprehensive in explaining what, why and how, and shows you the different types of tool (including versions with and without integral handles), as well as making it clear that a torque wrench is recommended but not essential (and for your bike and chainset, I would quite happily just use a good quality allen key like they show in the video [or equally a ratchet handle with an allen key bit if you've got one]).

Park show grease being used on the axle when fitting the crank, but that is an Octalink splined axle, and I would not use grease on the square taper axle you have. I have never greased the threads of the crank prior to screwing in the crank extractor as suggested in the Halfords video: I have never had a problem screwing the extractor tool into dry threads. Far more important, as the Park video shows, is making sure the extractor tool is fully engaged in the crank threads, otherwise you risk the steel tool stripping the softer aluminium threads instead of pulling the crank off the axle. As the Park video shows, this means that the bolt part of the tool should be backed off/undone before threading the the tool in the crank, otherwise the bolt may come into contact with the end of the axle before the tool has fully engaged in the crank threads (giving the false impression that the tool is all the way in and fully engaged, when instead the bolt is pressing against the end of the axle).

As for pedal wrench, check your pedals: do they have flats for a spanner where the pedal axle enters the crank? If so, then you need a 15mm spanner. If the flats are wide enough, you may be able to use an ordinary 15mm spanner. A pedal wrench is simply a narrow 15mm spanner with a long handle to give good leverage (and if the pedals' threads were not greased when the bike was originally assembled, you may need more leverage than a short handled spanner will give). If there are no spanner flats, then your pedals will probably need an 8mm allen key (i.e. likely same size key as the crank bolts) - the socket for the allen key will be on the inside end of the pedal's axle.

https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/crank-removal-and-installation-three-piece
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the threads on the crank arm are alloy so damage easily, wind the extractor bolt right out and the outer should go right in to full depth. socket size from memory tends to depend on whether it is a bolt or a nut. 14 or 15mm

tie off or zip tie the other side to the chainstay before trying the extractor - also useful for pedal removal, take the bolt out with a regular socket or the tool - it might be thread locked and seem stiff, then wind the extractor in and tighten up, it shouldn't be on that tight so should pop off easy enough unless it wasn't greased or has jetwash/road corrosion welding the two metals together. try to use you bodyweight to gently break the stiction.

in reverse it should fit snugly, go ratchet tight with no real pressure then tighten it up with a quarter turn or so until it gives plenty of resistance. you can threadlock it but its usually not necessary. you can use a long bar to loosen but keep it short to tighten.
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peetee wrote:Yes that should be enough but the tool seems to have 2 options to buy. I would try to clarify that with them cos I can't work it out.



Thanks everyone for your help!


So I just been looking online and thought maybe this crank set would better suit my bike aesthetically because it is all black (no red like previous link) and also is 175mm not 170mm which I think matches my current damaged cranks. The specs appear to be the same, would this work okay? :) https://www.tredz.co.uk/.SR-Suntour-CW- ... _89741.htm

I will also get the general bike grease
https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Fenwicks-Assem ... 101996.htm

The tool/s
https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Ice-Toolz-Delu ... _37713.htm


Also is it worth upgrading the stock basic pedals while I am at it? with these? or any recommendations for normal shoes/trainers
https://www.tredz.co.uk/.DiamondBack-Bi ... _43942.htm
cerimania
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Re: Replacing crank for begginer!

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crazydave789 wrote:the threads on the crank arm are alloy so damage easily, wind the extractor bolt right out and the outer should go right in to full depth. socket size from memory tends to depend on whether it is a bolt or a nut. 14 or 15mm

tie off or zip tie the other side to the chainstay before trying the extractor - also useful for pedal removal, take the bolt out with a regular socket or the tool - it might be thread locked and seem stiff, then wind the extractor in and tighten up, it shouldn't be on that tight so should pop off easy enough unless it wasn't greased or has jetwash/road corrosion welding the two metals together. try to use you bodyweight to gently break the stiction.

in reverse it should fit snugly, go ratchet tight with no real pressure then tighten it up with a quarter turn or so until it gives plenty of resistance. you can threadlock it but its usually not necessary. you can use a long bar to loosen but keep it short to tighten.


Thank you! This is very useful :)
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welcome.
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Re: Replacing crank for begginer!

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By all means replace the crank, but the damaged crank can be helicoiled, if you want to save the crank; some LBS will have the tool, or you can buy the necessary to do it yourself, but probably not cost effective.
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