Follis beborex brakes
Follis beborex brakes
came across these whilst looking for something else, and thought they looked interesting. I don't think they have been mentioned here before, either. They are a kind of modified side-pull brake that has a 'rising rate' linkage, i.e. an increasing mechanical advantage through the stroke.
First shown in 1948, they were apparently sold by Ron Kitching for many years, still being advertised as an 'innovation' as late as 1970 (see p15 of the 1970 catalogue, available via the VCC library, for a higher resolution version)
also
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/beborex.html
http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=7c4c9909-02d7-47c4-ac60-b8c73594d1f3&Enum=117
in French but well worth a look;
https://anciensveloslyonnais.weebly.com/follis---joseph-follis---marcel-follis.html
The brake works by the extra link coming closer to the horizontal as the brake is applied, increasing the lengthwise thrust in the link, which bears against the caliper (via pivot at one end and a little wheel at the other) in such a way as to increase the brake power.
It wasn't the only brake invented and patented by the Follis brothers; there is (presumably later?) version with a more complex articulated linkage in the last of the links above.
Many such rising rate linkages in brakes (campag deltas being a case in point) tend to abruptly stop working in your favour as the brake wears. Indeed the brake may stop working altogether; these brakes may be no exception. However I note that in this design, if the extra link could have a hard stop built into it (I don't know if it does or does not in fact) then at least you might be left with basic sidepull brake action if the extra link goes near to horizontal, i.e. some brake rather than none....
The brake also has a fairly nifty QR action, although it seems likely that the QR could be knocked 'on' if the steering swings rightwards so that the caliper hits the frame.
I have never seen a set in the flesh; anyone have any comments about how they worked in practice? I wonder if it is an idea that still has some value today?
I note that because the arms rotate about a common pivot, the brake is centred by a spring (like a normal SP brake, i.e. not very well with short cable runs) but that the same linkage could work with a DP brake design instead, and that whilst the centring wouldn't be 100% stable (as per DP brakes) it would at least be predictable.
cheers
First shown in 1948, they were apparently sold by Ron Kitching for many years, still being advertised as an 'innovation' as late as 1970 (see p15 of the 1970 catalogue, available via the VCC library, for a higher resolution version)
also
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/beborex.html
http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=7c4c9909-02d7-47c4-ac60-b8c73594d1f3&Enum=117
in French but well worth a look;
https://anciensveloslyonnais.weebly.com/follis---joseph-follis---marcel-follis.html
The brake works by the extra link coming closer to the horizontal as the brake is applied, increasing the lengthwise thrust in the link, which bears against the caliper (via pivot at one end and a little wheel at the other) in such a way as to increase the brake power.
It wasn't the only brake invented and patented by the Follis brothers; there is (presumably later?) version with a more complex articulated linkage in the last of the links above.
Many such rising rate linkages in brakes (campag deltas being a case in point) tend to abruptly stop working in your favour as the brake wears. Indeed the brake may stop working altogether; these brakes may be no exception. However I note that in this design, if the extra link could have a hard stop built into it (I don't know if it does or does not in fact) then at least you might be left with basic sidepull brake action if the extra link goes near to horizontal, i.e. some brake rather than none....
The brake also has a fairly nifty QR action, although it seems likely that the QR could be knocked 'on' if the steering swings rightwards so that the caliper hits the frame.
I have never seen a set in the flesh; anyone have any comments about how they worked in practice? I wonder if it is an idea that still has some value today?
I note that because the arms rotate about a common pivot, the brake is centred by a spring (like a normal SP brake, i.e. not very well with short cable runs) but that the same linkage could work with a DP brake design instead, and that whilst the centring wouldn't be 100% stable (as per DP brakes) it would at least be predictable.
cheers
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
no-one seen or used these, then?
cheers
cheers
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
Are they better than discs
PS,sorry couldn't resisc
PPS,I read the title as Zaphod Beablbrox
PS,sorry couldn't resisc
PPS,I read the title as Zaphod Beablbrox
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
reohn2 wrote:
............ PPS,I read the title as Zaphod Beablbrox
No, he's his semi-cousin.
... If I remember the terminology correctly.
Re: Follis beborex brakes
They look a little homemade. Come on Brucey bolt a guide onto your brake shoe and add a link to the arm with a roller. Report back if you are not hospitalised.
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
We must stop this pivot it gets to two(dual)pages,get a grip folks and lever it out before we cause anymore friction,and things get heated
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
NetworkMan wrote:reohn2 wrote:
............ PPS,I read the title as Zaphod Beablbrox
No, he's his semi-cousin.
... If I remember the terminology correctly.
From "Tour bikers ride on a Galaxy" perhaps?
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
It was a long time ago (1956 ish) when I went to look at a secondhand bike. It had Beborex brakes. I thought it looked like a strange mechanism for a side pull. In the end I settled for a s/h 21inch Witcomb with pecil thin rear stays.
Re: Follis beborex brakes
Good old Brucey ! - I've never heard of these brakes, but have one on a recently purchased Jack Taylor.
Re: Follis beborex brakes
rjb wrote:They look a little homemade. Come on Brucey bolt a guide onto your brake shoe and add a link to the arm with a roller. Report back if you are not hospitalised.
I did think about such a modification but it isn't quite as simple as that; for the whole arrangement to work the top arm needs to be slightly less offset (from the bike centreline) than normal and the lower arm slightly more offset. If not the cable run would have to be angled and possibly the link would have to be shorter than ideal, and/or the brake would only work on fairly narrow rims. But I would anticipate that is exactly how prototypes were first made.
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
Hi,
interesting, on the failsafe stop.
I see the cable is in front of the arm, so it will lock onto the underneath of the arm, when out of adjustment so defaults to normal.
Keep em coming
interesting, on the failsafe stop.
I see the cable is in front of the arm, so it will lock onto the underneath of the arm, when out of adjustment so defaults to normal.
Keep em coming
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Re: Follis beborex brakes
I guess the chances of me finding a matching rear Beborex caliper for my Jack Taylor will be rather slim?
Re: Follis beborex brakes
Now on eBay should anyone fancy a bid.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254437821866#shpCntId
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254437821866#shpCntId