Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

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Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Woodtourer » 19 Jan 2019, 12:57pm

This is a bit of a tag along to another thread about brake blocks. Funny we call them pads here in the US!
I use Kool Stop on all our bikes but have been hearing about Swissstop. Are they similar in quality and performance?
Thanks!

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Brucey » 19 Jan 2019, 1:36pm

I prefer the term 'brake block' to 'pad' simply because it is immediately obvious that you are talking about a rim brake and not a disc brake. Similarly I try and avoid the use of the term 'brake shoe' except in reference to drum brakes, for comparable reasons. I'd also suggest that rim brake block parts are best referred to as 'holders and inserts' rather than anything else, simply for clarity.

it is difficult to know what brake blocks are 'best' because that means different things to different people. AFAIK no-one has independently done any meaningful testing. I'm sure the (good) manufacturers have done lots of testing but if so they are keeping their data secret, or only publishing snippets of it.


FWIW I have never been disappointed with Fibrax brake blocks. A bit of a puff-piece here

https://cyclingindustry.news/fibrax-why-cheap-components-can-be-among-the-most-important-for-an-oem/

in which they reckon their brake products are comparable to (or better than) Swissstop ones.

This is better than the normal fodder dished up by the cycling press;

https://www.cyclist.co.uk/buying-guides/422/road-bike-brake-pads

but even so it contains scant actual information, and has been edited so that it barely makes sense; the 'Blackman' reference is presumably from an interview with Ellis Blackman of Fibrax.

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby tatanab » 19 Jan 2019, 2:45pm

Woodtourer wrote:Are they similar in quality and performance?
Thanks!
I used Koolstop some years ago and still have some in places where I am using up ancient stock, so they are fitted to machines used locally. Somewhat more than 10 years ago I tried Swisstop and liked them, so they are on my better machines. Some people complain that Swisstop are expensive, but that is usually only because the Koolstop are priced in pairs while the Swisstop are priced in by set of 4. Just to add something else, on my hardest used and abused machine I have BBB Techstop which I reckon are probably between the others for performance in the wet.

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby pedalsheep » 19 Jan 2019, 2:51pm

tatanab wrote:
Woodtourer wrote:Are they similar in quality and performance?
Thanks!
Somewhat more than 10 years ago I tried Swisstop and liked them, so they are on my better machines. Some people complain that Swisstop are expensive, but that is usually only because the Koolstop are priced in pairs while the Swisstop are priced in by set of 4.

I have also been using Swisstop for about 10 years and am very happy with them.
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby foxyrider » 19 Jan 2019, 3:47pm

I've never been that impressed with modern Koolstop blocks, BBB are certainly quite similar in performance. On the road bikes it's either OE Campag or Swisstop (which work out cheaper than replacement Campag!) last set of SwiSstop set me back £15 which is certainly comparable to other brands that perform less well.

As a footnote, I have some original Koolstop moulded blocks from @ 1979 which were used on my race bike for many years - they just never wore out! Stopped me pretty well if a little grabby!
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby bgnukem » 21 Jan 2019, 1:36pm

Having used Swisstop Green (for ali rims) on my summer bike and Koolstop Salmon on my commuter and winter bikes I'd go for Koolstop salmon as it works well from the start and is the most resistant compound I've found to tearing bits of aluminium out of the rim, rim wear is reduced with the salmon blocks.

Swisstop are OK but I've had bits of ali in the pads. They seem to be harder wearing than salmons but I paid £44 for a set of 4 pads and holders so they are expensive here in the UK. Inserts only are much cheaper though.

The salmon Koolstops retail for about £13 a pair here (for V-brake/canti pads) but I believe are cheaper and easier to source in the US which might make them a better option for the OP than Swisstop.

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Mick F » 21 Jan 2019, 7:45pm

I'm with Brucey on this.
Blocks are inserted into holders and used in calliper brakes.
Pads are used with disc brakes.
Shoes are in drum brakes.

Compare this to a car.
Pads for discs, and shoes for drums.



As for Koolstop, they can't be better or worse than Swisstop IMHO.
It's only rubber inserted in a holder and provides friction against the rim.
The only difference could be when in wet conditions. I have yet to try my £19 worth of rubber in the rain. The original Shimano was good, and my Campag on the other bike are good too.
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Cours » 21 Jan 2019, 7:52pm

I'm a long term user of Swiss stop. They're especially good on the rain. I feel much more confident out in a wet day than anything I've previously used from Shimano and pryce wise there's not much difference.

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Mick F » 21 Jan 2019, 8:00pm

I remain to be convinced.
Not optimistic or pessimistic, just remain to be convinced one way or another.

Never ever had a complaint with Campag on Mercian and never ever had a complaint with Shimano on Moulton ........... dry or wet.
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Cours » 21 Jan 2019, 8:29pm

Mick F wrote:I remain to be convinced.
Not optimistic or pessimistic, just remain to be convinced one way or another.

Never ever had a complaint with Campag on Mercian and never ever had a complaint with Shimano on Moulton ........... dry or wet.


I used to have a nice set of Dura Ace brakes on aluminium rims. I always thought they seemed ac bit dull when braking hard in the rain. I bought Swiss stop because Shimano were out of stock in my lbs and it was a real revelation. And they also seem to last a very, very long time!

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby tim-b » 22 Jan 2019, 5:48am

Hi
The salmon Koolstops retail for about £13 a pair...

Salmon Koolstop canti/V inserts are around £6, Shimano inserts are around £8, have a look on Wiggle :)
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby AlanW » 22 Jan 2019, 12:08pm

Shimano brake blocks are nothing more than evil and kill your rims in winter riding. I used the Koolstop Salmon blocks for many many years and have been more than happy with them, until about twelve months ago when friend suggested giving the Swissstop "blue" blocks a try.

Needless to say, all my bikes are now on Swissstops!
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby Brucey » 22 Jan 2019, 12:14pm

AlanW wrote:Shimano brake blocks are nothing more than evil....


which ones?

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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby AlanW » 22 Jan 2019, 12:23pm

Brucey wrote:
AlanW wrote:Shimano brake blocks are nothing more than evil....


which ones?

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All of them, they are all to hard. I would rather replace two or three pairs of Swisstop or Kool Stops in the winter than a rim every four months!
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Re: Kool Stop vs. Swissstop?

Postby AlanW » 22 Jan 2019, 12:27pm

Listen to a bike braking in the wet with Shimano blocks and then listen to a bike doing the same with either Swissstop or Koolstops. The sound speaks volumes as to which one is damaging your rim the most!
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