Something I was mulling over ........ With same spokes and rim, and a shimano rear hub, which would be stronger either:-
a) 36 hole dished for 8 speed or
b) 32 hole dished for 7 speed??
Which rear wheel is stronger?
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Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
which OLN(s)?
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Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
Brucey wrote:which OLN(s)?
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Oops yes I forgot that detail...... 132.5mm
Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
the tension ratios L to R are about 55% and 60% respectively, but for the rim to be as well supported by the spokes arguably the tension in the 32 spoke wheel ought to be ~12.5% higher. Lets say that the wheel tension is limited by the DS spokes (which is quite normal) at 130kgf. You could build the wheels
8s/132.5mm hub 130/71.5kg average tension 100.75kgf
7s/132.5mm hub 130/78kg average tension 104kgf
However 7s hub designs don't usually make best use of the available wheel dish; the LH lip on the freehub body is thicker than is necessary. Also there is a little space between the chain and the dropout in top gear. This means you can usually improve the dish on a 7s wheel by another 3mm or so, which can get you to ~75% tension balance [you can improve 8s too, but not by as much].
Optimised 7s/132.5mm 130/97.5kg average tension 113.75kgf
You can see that the average tension in the optimised 7s wheel is ~+13% vs the 8s wheel. This is getting on for the amount that could make up for the shortfall in spokes. Note that the fatigue loadings increase whenever you have fewer spokes though.
Probably you are better off building a 7s wheel with 36 spokes and making those spokes thin and stretchy.
cheers
8s/132.5mm hub 130/71.5kg average tension 100.75kgf
7s/132.5mm hub 130/78kg average tension 104kgf
However 7s hub designs don't usually make best use of the available wheel dish; the LH lip on the freehub body is thicker than is necessary. Also there is a little space between the chain and the dropout in top gear. This means you can usually improve the dish on a 7s wheel by another 3mm or so, which can get you to ~75% tension balance [you can improve 8s too, but not by as much].
Optimised 7s/132.5mm 130/97.5kg average tension 113.75kgf
You can see that the average tension in the optimised 7s wheel is ~+13% vs the 8s wheel. This is getting on for the amount that could make up for the shortfall in spokes. Note that the fatigue loadings increase whenever you have fewer spokes though.
Probably you are better off building a 7s wheel with 36 spokes and making those spokes thin and stretchy.
cheers
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Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
the one better built
Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
But what wheel size? That has to make a difference too. Will it have rim or disc brakes?
And of course 'strong' might be good on one level but 'springy' can be better in other uses.
And of course 'strong' might be good on one level but 'springy' can be better in other uses.
Convention? what's that then?
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Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
foxyrider wrote:But what wheel size? That has to make a difference too. Will it have rim or disc brakes?
And of course 'strong' might be good on one level but 'springy' can be better in other uses.
how is that road surface on the woodhead doing?
Re: Which rear wheel is stronger?
mig wrote:foxyrider wrote:But what wheel size? That has to make a difference too. Will it have rim or disc brakes?
And of course 'strong' might be good on one level but 'springy' can be better in other uses.
how is that road surface on the woodhead doing?
Not been over since last autumn
Convention? what's that then?
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