SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

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thelawnet
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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby thelawnet » 13 Feb 2019, 11:24pm

Brucey wrote:the thing is that the trickle down of technology means that you can often buy a bike that is 9/10s as well made as a top of the range model was ten or fifteen years ago, but at a much more competitive price. Eventually certain types of technology are consigned to the bargain basement and may be manufactured so poorly that they are not worth using any more. So for example most hubs for screw-on freewheels (and indeed the freewheels themselves) are so poorly made these days that they are not worth having. And whilst 8s and 9s parts work about as well as they ever have done, you can't easily buy swanky XT cassettes in 8s and 9s any more.


Not sure why you'd want an XT cassette, particularly. A bit lighter? The main difference in the road groupsets is the weight, particularly the hollow crank arms on the 105 cranks and above. This is only 200 grams lighter, however, hardly a significant amount. You can probably save a bit here and there on other components as well - more plastic bits on the rear derailleur at 105 and up makes it a bit lighter. The Ultegra shifters uses carbon fibre instead of aluminium, which should make them a bit warmer in the winter?

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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby thelawnet » 11 Mar 2019, 12:47pm

Amusing video



There's a limited edition 2002 Cannondale Caad7, alloy frame, rim brakes, with Golden Edition Campagnolo Record (10 speed) http://community.vintagecannondale.com/ ... 18-300.53/

And a modern Cannondale carbon fibre/disc brake effort with Axs costing about £8000

The rider reckons the new bike shifts no better than the old, it's just the 39/28 bottom gear that has him struggling. (He's not keen on the old hoods either.)

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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby Samuel D » 11 Mar 2019, 1:45pm

At 2:44 in the video:

“Bikes of 2002 are surprisingly good, even still in 2019.”

Would you believe it!

How do you find all these videos, thelawnet?

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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby thelawnet » 11 Mar 2019, 1:55pm

Samuel D wrote:How do you find all these videos, thelawnet?


If you watch them they (Youtube) encourage you to watch more.

It's neural networks or something. The algorithms are very efficient.

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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby thelawnet » 3 Apr 2019, 9:56pm

Well there is now a 'Force Axs'.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/art ... axs-53803/

This is basically their competitor for Ultegra Di2 but with the 12 speeds and 10t cog. But in reality should be much more expensive as there are proprietary freehub driver , cassette, chainrings to buy. Not to mention a supposed magic 12 speed chain

It has slightly fewer ridiculous throwaway parts than Red, so that is something.

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Re: SRAM new 'AXS' for MTB/road

Postby toontra » 3 Apr 2019, 11:16pm

I've been waiting for this but was expecting something under £1000, certainly not £2,200 (for the double/rim version).

Combined with the likely replacement costs for cassette and chain (which are certain to have significantly shorter lives than 11-speed), that means I won't be going anywhere near this.

Hopefully there will be some old Red 11-speed Etap stuff going relatively cheaply at some point.