Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Bonefishblues » 27 Feb 2019, 11:12pm

Why are you wedded to a steel fork, out of interest?

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby pwa » 28 Feb 2019, 6:49am

Looking at their website, I doubt Shand know what a touring bike is. They don't offer a chainset with a ring smaller than 32T. They seem to think that going from a 34t compact to a 32t is a change worth paying for. No triples! I think they are just trying to get round the fact that the latest road groupsets don't have triples so you can't get 11 speed with 3X. Making the best of a bad job. Even the wheels don't look convincing. I'd have to buy the frameset and do the rest myself.

The frameset, on the other hand, does look like a proper frameset. Elegant to look at, good material, clearances galore. If I were feeling lazy I might take it to Spa to ask them to turn it into the finished product.

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby pedals2slowly » 28 Feb 2019, 8:36am

Bonefishblues wrote:Why are you wedded to a steel fork, out of interest?


I haven't found a carbon fork that gives the same degree of comfort and compliance, though fat tyres do help considerably.
I'm also a bit old school and worried about carbon damage on planes or in the middle of Mongolia

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Brucey » 28 Feb 2019, 9:04am

being fussy about steel fork compliance and wanting disc brakes is a problem; enough that it may be a better compromise to stick to rim brakes....?

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby reohn2 » 28 Feb 2019, 9:22am

pedals2slowly wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:Why are you wedded to a steel fork, out of interest?


I haven't found a carbon fork that gives the same degree of comfort and compliance, though fat tyres do help considerably.
I'm also a bit old school and worried about carbon damage on planes or in the middle of Mongolia

You should be OK in the middle of Mongolia,it's outer Mongolia where all the trouble starts or so I'm led to believe :wink:
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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby reohn2 » 28 Feb 2019, 9:24am

Brucey wrote:being fussy about steel fork compliance and wanting disc brakes is a problem; enough that it may be a better compromise to stick to rim brakes....?

cheers

You'll have him touring on a rod braked roadster with a 3 sp SA yet Brucey :)
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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Brucey » 28 Feb 2019, 9:28am

rod brakes are a bit fancy aren't they? What's wrong with a spoon brake anyway?

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Bonefishblues » 28 Feb 2019, 9:39am

Platform shoes give more than adequate braking, I find.

OP - IIRC Justin Burls does titanium with a titanium fork option. Because if a job's worth doing :D

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Milfred Cubicle » 28 Feb 2019, 11:12pm

Despite not being the lightest, the Genesis Vagabond is a superb bike/frame.
I usually run mine with 32mm Tourguard tyres, but it works superbly with 2 inch tyres aswell. I'm pretty sure you could get away with 2.25 slicks AND mudguards.
All the eyelets you could need, and nicely finished.
Of course, the Shand is a gorgeous thing, and if you have the funds, I wouldn't blame you. But then you could get a Vagabond or similar, and an awful lot of lighter wheels etc. for the price of the Stoater.

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby pedals2slowly » 1 Mar 2019, 8:25am

Milfred Cubicle wrote:Despite not being the lightest, the Genesis Vagabond is a superb bike/frame.
I usually run mine with 32mm Tourguard tyres, but it works superbly with 2 inch tyres aswell. I'm pretty sure you could get away with 2.25 slicks AND mudguards.
All the eyelets you could need, and nicely finished.
Of course, the Shand is a gorgeous thing, and if you have the funds, I wouldn't blame you. But then you could get a Vagabond or similar, and an awful lot of lighter wheels etc. for the price of the Stoater.


Yes, it's just the extra 1.2 kg on the frame that puts me off, but hey ho I could lose that in body weight if I rode my bike more :-)
But is is QR wheels which suits my wheel swapping moments

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby alexnharvey » 1 Mar 2019, 8:41am

I didn't realise it would be as much as 1.2kg difference, that's quite a surprise.

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby reohn2 » 1 Mar 2019, 9:03am

Brucey wrote:rod brakes are a bit fancy aren't they? What's wrong with a spoon brake anyway?

cheers

Now yer talkin' :)
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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby reohn2 » 1 Mar 2019, 9:10am

Milfred Cubicle wrote:Despite not being the lightest, the Genesis Vagabond is a superb bike/frame.
I usually run mine with 32mm Tourguard tyres, but it works superbly with 2 inch tyres aswell. I'm pretty sure you could get away with 2.25 slicks AND mudguards.
All the eyelets you could need, and nicely finished.
Of course, the Shand is a gorgeous thing, and if you have the funds, I wouldn't blame you. But then you could get a Vagabond or similar, and an awful lot of lighter wheels etc. for the price of the Stoater.

I don't know about 2.25's but 2inch slicks(measuring 47mm on 19mm internal rims)have 25mm+ under the mudguards.I've also been running 2in Conti RaceKings over winter with m/guards and plenty clearance.
I really like the bike,here's my review:- viewtopic.php?f=5&t=125018&hilit=Genesis+vagabond
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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Bonefishblues » 3 Mar 2019, 9:26am

Bonefishblues wrote:Platform shoes give more than adequate braking, I find.

OP - IIRC Justin Burls does titanium with a titanium fork option. Because if a job's worth doing :D

Bad form to quote self, but was browsing his new site this morning and saw the 'monster cross' bike in here:

http://www.burls.co.uk/Gallery/index.html

You'll also see at least one example of his custom fabricated ti forks as you wander around the shiny things.

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Re: Can you recommend all steel 700c disc brake big clearance frame?

Postby Milfred Cubicle » 3 Mar 2019, 3:22pm

Re: 2inch plus tyres... maybe I was overestimating there. There's only one way to find out though. I've got a Schwalbe Big Apple in the shed...going to give it a go.