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Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 26 Apr 2019, 8:38pm
by Cunobelin

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 6 May 2019, 12:48pm
by StephenW
The Rinko idea seems quite nice, although I'm not sure about regularly taking the headset apart. I feel like a headset, especially a threaded one, is the kind of thing you want to get set right, and then leave alone as much as possible?

I thought this video might be of interest to some (it's a folding recumbent):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_x911RpbE

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 6 May 2019, 2:11pm
by Brucey
you can make the whole readjustment process a bit quicker by marking the adjusting race of a threaded headset and ensuring it returns to the same position when you reassemble the bike. There's something to be said for cartridge bearings here; IME even the best clipped balls tend to pop out when the clip gets a bit worn.

cheers

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 7 May 2019, 9:45am
by Gattonero
StephenW wrote:The Rinko idea seems quite nice, although I'm not sure about regularly taking the headset apart. I feel like a headset, especially a threaded one, is the kind of thing you want to get set right, and then leave alone as much as possible?


One more reason to choose a threadless headset (and with cartridge bearings) for this purpose. But make sure to not use one of those stems with bolts that are too small (or at least, grease the threads), better to choose one with M6 bolts and that will fit nicely and not sloppy on the fork's steerer.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 16 Jun 2019, 11:08pm
by Scunnered
mjr wrote:
Brucey wrote:If you simply remove the wheels and strap them to the rest of the bike you have a bundle that may be allowed on trains with less hassle than a complete bike

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I tried the above this morning. I don't think the pictured bike is packed realistically because there is too much slack in the top strap so I think the wheels will move and rub the frame which they've not covered at all.

Other things I have learned from the test:
- cover the derailleur and chainring to avoid oiling yourself or your main bag/cover inner too easily;
- cover the saddle to avoid scuffing it up until you get the packed bike into its cover;
- if your brake cables exit out the top (vintage-style) then either the hoods need to be lower than the tops (mine are) or I think you need to rotate the bars top-forwards to make it so;
- if leaving pedals in place as pictured, strap the non-drive-side crank to the chainstay, the opposite to what's shown - it'll make the package slightly bigger but the drive-side pedal will protect things from the chainring a bit;
- leave a route to pick up the bundle by the downtube in front of the bottom bracket;
- the toestrap which lashes the wheels behind the BB needs to be a long one - longer than I ever used;
- if you deflate a tyre to remove it, reinflate it before lashing the wheels;
- lying the pack down as in the PDF makes it easier to lash the wheels because then you're not also fighting gravity.

I've yet to figure out where to put rear mudguard and rack in the bundle. Around the wheel seems good but it might widen the bundle further.


Very helpful thank you. I'm going to try this to get around the "no bike reservations are available" problem next w/e.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 8:04am
by londonbikerider
I would removed the rear derailleur from the hanger, I've seen too many clubmates riding in misery due to a bent mech hanger. Unfortunately, most modern bikes have some rather undersized sections there, no more than a couple of mm at best.
It ought to be the reason why my Audax bike is steel and has got forged dropouts, yes, they can ben too, but it takes a lot more to create a real problem.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 8:19am
by Mick F
If you could fit your bike into a normal suitcase, would the airlines accept it?

It has had me thinking for some time that I could pull my Moulton TSR apart into small bits and pack it in a suitcase. Maybe it'd be ok on a train journey as well as a flight.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 11:36am
by Sweep
Wouldn't you be better with a soft bag on a train trip mick?
As a separable I would have thought it would fit with ease into something like the ground effect tardis, which then packs to something the size of an old phone directory.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 11:52am
by Mick F
Yes, it probably would, but in a real suitcase it would be easier to stow and transport. It would be treated like normal luggage.

Years and years ago, Mrs Mick F and me made a denim bag with a long zip and webbing straps. Mercian with mudguards off, wheels off, would go in upside down. Wheels and mudguards into separate rip-stop bags and slotted in alongside. The whole thing zipped up, and I could carry it as a large shoulder bag.

We were living in Scotland at the time, and I was traveling up and down to Portsmouth for courses. Mercian was used most evenings down there keeping me happy. :D

In 1994, I went by train with Mercian in the bag, and unwrapped it at JOG. I took brown paper, sticky tape and a felt pen, wrapped and addressed it, and posted it home. I still have it still in the wrapping - never been used since.

Suitcases are cheap and plentiful and come in a wide variety of sizes, so if you could fit a bike into one, it's easy to transport - and it can be treated as normal luggage.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 12:13pm
by hamster
Mick F wrote:If you could fit your bike into a normal suitcase, would the airlines accept it?

It has had me thinking for some time that I could pull my Moulton TSR apart into small bits and pack it in a suitcase. Maybe it'd be ok on a train journey as well as a flight.


Yes, have a look at the Ritchey Break-Away, which fits in a conventional suitcase.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 6:30pm
by Brucey
the problem with 'suitcase bikes' is that you have to find something to do with the suitcase at the end of the journey. I've seen some that turn into luggage trailers but they look kind of klutzy. I wonder if there isn't a (small) market for 'bike (suit-) case rental'?

cheers

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 18 Jun 2019, 7:02pm
by hamster
Brucey wrote:the problem with 'suitcase bikes' is that you have to find something to do with the suitcase at the end of the journey. I've seen some that turn into luggage trailers but they look kind of klutzy. I wonder if there isn't a (small) market for 'bike (suit-) case rental'?

cheers


Left luggage at the airport or station has worked fine for me, the only problem is an 'open jaws' trip.

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 2:51pm
by Mick F
Brucey wrote:the problem with 'suitcase bikes' is that you have to find something to do with the suitcase at the end of the journey. I've seen some that turn into luggage trailers .........
I've been thinking ...........

I'm sort of planning a ride next spring and thinking of the train taking the strain to get me from/to home start and finish.

If I could fit my Moulton into a small enough suitcase, I could carry a small suitcase with my stuff in it together with my Carry Freedom trailer stripped down in a bag, and take the lot of it on the train. Two suitcases and one collapsible bag. Could that work?

At the end of the train journey to the start, I could reassemble Moulton, reassemble CF trailer, and mount the larger suitcase on the load bed with my small suitcase and bag inside. At the end of the ride, do the reverse and get the two suitcases and the bag on the train home.
Could that work?

This is all dependent in fitting Moulton into a small enough suitcase. Sounds like an experiment is in order! :D

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 7:10pm
by philvantwo
What about your bag from 1994 mick f? You could fit that inside your small suitcase that will fit inside your big suitcase, then you could be really clever and get an even bigger suitcase and fit the whole lot in! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: the art of bicycle folding/packing for transport; modifications for rinko etc.

Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 7:53am
by gazza_d
Here you go Mick F.

The guys at Path Less Pedaled have already done this for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cLDLC-13g