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Postby Mick F » 23 Jun 2019, 9:19am

Thanks for that guys! :D

That YouTube movie was a bit longwinded and he liked the sound of his own voice.
Also, he stripped it down in a strange order. It's easiest to split the two halves right at the beginning.
It fitted into a suitcase they way I would have expected it to. Foregone conclusion.

The main issue, is what do you do with the suitcase at the other end?
It's fine if you're going to an area to cycle in and having the same base each night, but if you're going from one place to another, you need to take the suitcase with you.

The denim bag from 1994 is FAR to big for a Moulton even if it's only split into two halves and not dismantled.

My idea of the smallest suitcase that I can use, and carry it with me on the trailer is the only way, I reckon. We have a Samsonite suitcase in the loft, I may and see if it would be ok. Can't remember it's specific size until I get it down and have a play.
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Postby gazza_d » 23 Jun 2019, 10:41am

It's a nice visual indicator that it can be done, although it's definately vid or skipping through.
The suitcase would also work if you had a circular tour planned and could arrange to leave it somewhere. I have done that previously with conventional bike bags and pipe insulation.
Once the Moulton was broken down it may well fit into those bags you can buy cheaply from Ikea.
I have a bike bag I purchased from Halfords for taking my TSR on public transport, but it doesn't protect or stop the frame parts from rubbing each other

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Postby Mick F » 23 Jun 2019, 2:49pm

Mick F wrote:We have a Samsonite suitcase in the loft, I may and see if it would be ok. Can't remember it's specific size until I get it down and have a play.
Just so happened that I was up in the loft earlier.

Samsonite seems to be 24 x 17 inches.
Probably too small.
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Postby speedsixdave » 23 Jun 2019, 10:00pm

Hi Mick,

I'm doing exactly this right now, with my Jubilee currently in a big suitcase in the hall ready to fly to Switzerland tomorrow. The 'official' recommended suitcase is a Samsonite f'lite 31GT spinner, 32.67 X 23.43 X 13.77 in / 83 X 59.5 X 35 cm. They are pretty expensive. I found a Tripp suitcase in Debenhams recently for £59 in the sale, which is a couple of centimetres smaller but for that price thought is was worth a go.

The bike fits in ok, after a fair bit of dismantling and tetris:
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but it is a bit of a squeeze with the wheels too. Depth is a key dimension - mine is about 32cm deep rather than the 35 of the Samsonite and the extra 3cm would be useful as two halves and two wheels stack up quite high. I have also made a brace from flat metal plates and M12 threaded rod which will hopefully protect the case and bike from crushing in the middle. The Samsonite case definitely looks stiffer and tougher, and I think has catches and an overlapping lip rather than the flexible zip closure on mine.

This will be the first time I've flown with the Moulton-in-a-suitcase and I am a bit nervous. At this point I wish I'd paid for the Samsonite! Will report back if successful, or if not.
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Postby Mick F » 24 Jun 2019, 8:38am

Thanks! :D

Some years ago, I bought a big bike box on these pages. The idea was to use it to fly abroad with Mercian, but it hasn't transpired. The box is at present under the bed filled with various stuff.

I tried it with Mercian, and also with Moulton.
Trouble is, it's WAY too big to fit on my Carry Freedom trailer. :lol:
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Postby Mick F » 24 Jun 2019, 8:41am

PS:
I intend today (perhaps) to pull Moulton completely apart and arrange it to see the absolute minimum volume I can "Tetris" it into.
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Postby Brucey » 24 Jun 2019, 9:18am

it has passed my mind that a large hardshell case could be made less of a handful by

a) being split into (say) four sections rather than two and
b) being slightly tapered in at least two dimensions.

This way the pieces would be able to 'nest together' when the case is not in use, a bit like Russian dolls.

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Postby Mick F » 24 Jun 2019, 10:01am

Yes, Brucey, I've already thought of that.
Two suitcases, one smaller than the other. I'm stuck with the big hard shell box though. Too big and clumsy for a train, and then what do I do with it!

Been outside scratching my (bald) head and measuring Moulton in bits. Smallest I can see the whole lot, is 81cm long X 58mm wide X 36cm high.

The wheels and mudguards and the handlebars are the main sticky-out problems. Without the wheels and mudguards, the arrangement is much easier .............. and a tad smaller too.

Just having a cuppa, then some more head scratching.
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Postby Brucey » 24 Jun 2019, 10:05am

not two cases one inside the other, four quarters of a single case that fit inside one another is what I meant. Not quite the same thing.

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Postby Mick F » 24 Jun 2019, 10:06am

Ok, sorry, I see what you mean now. Great idea. You should make a set and patent it.

This was my first attempt. I moved the handlebars to get it down from the original 86cm to the 81cm long.
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Postby Mick F » 24 Jun 2019, 2:50pm

Well .................................

I spent a happy hour or so head-scratching and thinking. I can reduce the overall size of the "package" by removing the chainset. Remember, the big ring is 61t so it makes for a large diameter. I can lose 4ins off the width by taking it off, and it's easy to remove and to replace as it's an Isis self-extracting system.

The maximum width of anything on my Carry Freedom trailer is 47cm. This gives about an inch clearance away from the wheels and it wouldn't give much away from the wheels whizzing round.

Trouble is, the minimum width when the chainset is removed is also 47cm.
Minimum length is 81cm as is set by the steering column as well at the overall length of the rear of the frame. I could make that less by removing the rear triangle - one bolt and four self-tappers.

Considering it will need removing wheels, mudguards, chainset, handlebars, splitting the frame and maybe removing the rear triangle as well, it's one heck of a palaver, not to mention re-building without the luxury of a work-stand ............. and I still don't know if I can get a suitcase wide enough for it all, but not too wide for the trailer.

I think I'm going to give the idea a miss and put it on the Too Difficult shelf. :cry:
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Postby Brucey » 24 Jun 2019, 2:57pm

hence the appeal of cardboard boxes, soft bags etc...?

Suggestion; would it be possible to make a strapped bundle which has (knock resistant) 'hard points' on the outside, and then to clad the bundle in something like a correx shell? In normal handling the 'hard points' would bear the load, whilst other knocks and scrapes are deterred by the correx package. The package could be folded up, carried and re-used?

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Postby Mick F » 25 Jun 2019, 7:07am

Brucey wrote:hence the appeal of cardboard boxes, soft bags etc...?

Suggestion; would it be possible to make a strapped bundle which has (knock resistant) 'hard points' on the outside, and then to clad the bundle in something like a correx shell? In normal handling the 'hard points' would bear the load, whilst other knocks and scrapes are deterred by the correx package. The package could be folded up, carried and re-used?
Back to the drawing board. :D
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Postby philvantwo » 25 Jun 2019, 8:47am

I was following that girl on Strava who broke the record for the most miles in a year in the UK. After she got the record she went to Greece and corfu with a bike that fitted into a case, when she landed at the airport the case turned into a trailer. Thin it was called Airmanal bike or something?
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Postby speedsixdave » 25 Jun 2019, 1:15pm

philvantwo wrote:I was following that girl on Strava who broke the record for the most miles in a year in the UK. After she got the record she went to Greece and corfu with a bike that fitted into a case, when she landed at the airport the case turned into a trailer. Thin it was called Airmanal bike or something?


Airnimal I think.
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