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newbootclimbco
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new rear deraillier

Postby newbootclimbco » 7 Aug 2019, 2:13pm

I'm about to fit a new 11/34 cassette plus chain to my cannondale synapse from a 11/30 the existing rear deraillier is 2 and a quarter inches from centre to centre between the jockey wheels. with the larger cassette what size hanger should I fit.Thanks T.

Brucey
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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby Brucey » 7 Aug 2019, 4:20pm

what

a) exact model RD and
b) chainrings

do you have ?


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newbootclimbco
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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby newbootclimbco » 7 Aug 2019, 7:21pm

sorry Brucy, what do you mead by RD, cassette is a 10 speed.

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby reohn2 » 7 Aug 2019, 7:51pm

Rear Deraileur :wink:
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Brucey
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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby Brucey » 7 Aug 2019, 7:52pm

RD = rear derailleur

Need to know what chainring sizes you have because this affects the required total capacity of the RD

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newbootclimbco
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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby newbootclimbco » 7 Aug 2019, 7:54pm

cheers,i'll post a reply tomorrow. T

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby newbootclimbco » 8 Aug 2019, 6:50am

Extra info regarding the above, At the moment the rear hanger is a shamano 105 2.1/4inches between centres of jockey wheels,front crank is a two piece 50/34. New cassette will be a 10 speed 11/34 and new chain. so what new length deraillier will I need. Old cassette was a 10 speed 11/30. Cheers T.

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby Brucey » 8 Aug 2019, 10:32am

the RD will have a model number on it, and there are two versions SS (short cage) and GS (longer cage). It will (I think, from your description) either be RD-5700-SS or (more likely) RD-5701-SS


RD-5700-SS has a max sprocket of 28T and a total capacity of 33T (cf GS version which has 28T and 39T)
RD-5701-SS has a max sprocket of 30T and a total capacity of 34T (cf GS version which has 32T and 40T)

The total capacity is the front difference eg. 50-34 = 16T plus the rear difference eg. 11-30 = 29T e.g. total capacity of 35T in this case.

Shimano are conservative about their specifications so you can (with a bit of careful setup) expect to go ~+2T without coming to grief, which presumably explains why your current setup (which uses +1T total capacity if you have RD-5701-SS) works at all.

But for RD-5701-SS with 50-34 (16T) and 11-34 (23T) you are exceeding the max sprocket size by +4T and the total capacity by +5T.

A longer gear hanger will solve the former issue but it won't solve the latter; this means that you will either have to set the chain so short you won't be able to use the 50/34 combination (dumb idea BTW, you are only ever one thoughtless shift away from breaking your bike) or accept slack running in the 34/(small sprocket) gears (better but still not advisable if there is an alternative).

An easy solution to this might be just to buy RD-5701-GS; this will probably work OK because you are only going +2T on max sprocket size. IIRC it is sometimes necessary (on some frames) to fit a longer B tension screw to make it work. Other times its usually just a question of setup.

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shobo
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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby shobo » 11 Aug 2019, 3:44pm

I have a medium cage 105 RD ( RD-5701-SS ?) with a 32t sprocket, it works fine, I'm gonna try it with a 34t i suspect it might still be ok. At the same time change out my 52-36 with a 50-34.

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby gxaustin » 15 Aug 2019, 12:02am

I have a medium cage 105 RD ( RD-5701-SS ?) with a 32t sprocket, it works fine, I'm gonna try it with a 34t i suspect it might still be ok.


I think the medium cage is a GS

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby Tiberius » 15 Aug 2019, 7:55am

gxaustin wrote:
I think the medium cage is a GS


It is and it works fine with an 11-34 cassette...at least mine does.

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Re: new rear deraillier

Postby Brucey » 15 Aug 2019, 8:25am

shimano are slightly inconsistent about what they call SS, GS, SGS. In different models of derailleur one can look much like a different sort. So 'short' 'medium' and 'long' are perhaps relative terms only, not absolutes.

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