Converting a Muddy Fox

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whoof
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby whoof » 12 Aug 2019, 1:57pm

Derekn wrote:
ElaineB wrote:Definitely ‘silver’ mudguards, that MF bike will look fabulous and ride like a ‘silver bullet’! Don’t forget to show us all the ‘finished product’ Derek.


Thanks Elaine :D :D


I'm not sure how tall you are but at £200 this could work out a whole lot cheaper than adding parts to the bike you have.

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Derekn
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 12 Aug 2019, 3:02pm

HobbesOnTour wrote:
Derekn wrote:. I will probably not use a front carrier.


I know it's early days, but I wouldn't be discounting a rack at the front just yet.
Obviously, if you don't need it, you don't need it, but for travelling on decent surfaces I prefer the weight distributed front and rear. My bike, (also a MTB convert) handles better. Off road, it's a different matter.

Also, on longer tours, 4 panniers as opposed to 2 gives me more options for having things handy (without having to rummage through everything) during the day. For example, my front panniers carry my stove, cooking gear & food. It means that even on the wettest day I can stop and make something warm without having to worry about getting my clothes or sleeping gear wet.


I can only agree with you now you mentioned the reasons :-)

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 12 Aug 2019, 3:09pm

whoof wrote:
Derekn wrote:
ElaineB wrote:Definitely ‘silver’ mudguards, that MF bike will look fabulous and ride like a ‘silver bullet’! Don’t forget to show us all the ‘finished product’ Derek.


Thanks Elaine :D :D


I'm not sure how tall you are but at £200 this could work out a whole lot cheaper than adding parts to the bike you have.

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Thanks all the same "whoof" but I'd have to use wooden blocks on the pedals ;-)
Also my bike has sentimental value to me :-)

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 14 Aug 2019, 4:35pm

slowster wrote:Spa are currently selling Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26" x 50mm tyres for only £20 each. The Marathon Supreme is Schwalbe's fast road touring tyre, but would still be robust enough for riding on gravel tracks and bridleways. Order 2 of them and £10 worth of other items* and you will get free postage.

* For example spare inner tubes - your Muddy Fox wheels take presta valve inner tubes. Hopefully the Decathlon wheel will also take presta (Decathlon doesn't say on the website, so you will just have to wait until it arrives). You don't want to be carrying extra spare inner tubes on tour because one of your wheels is presta and the other schraeder, so if the Decathlon wheel turns out to be schraeder, buy a valve hole reducer.

I've also just noticed that your current wheels have solid axles. The Decathlon wheel needs to be used with a quick release skewer, which the website says is not included. If it does indeed not come with a skewer, this one is only £4.99 and a bargain (Shimano enclosed cam quick release skewers are the only ones worth getting).


The advert for the Decathlon wheel is misleading, to my advantage :D The wheel arrived and it does INCLUDE the quick release skewer :D

As for the rim that the dynamo hub is set into, it is not particularly good and certainly doesn't look anything like the existing Muddy Fox rim. I have therefore decided to have the dynamo removed from the new wheel and installed in my MF rim. The MF rim is in very good condition and will no doubt last as long as I want it too :D

whoof
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby whoof » 14 Aug 2019, 4:40pm

Derekn wrote:
slowster wrote:Spa are currently selling Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26" x 50mm tyres for only £20 each. The Marathon Supreme is Schwalbe's fast road touring tyre, but would still be robust enough for riding on gravel tracks and bridleways. Order 2 of them and £10 worth of other items* and you will get free postage.

* For example spare inner tubes - your Muddy Fox wheels take presta valve inner tubes. Hopefully the Decathlon wheel will also take presta (Decathlon doesn't say on the website, so you will just have to wait until it arrives). You don't want to be carrying extra spare inner tubes on tour because one of your wheels is presta and the other schraeder, so if the Decathlon wheel turns out to be schraeder, buy a valve hole reducer.

I've also just noticed that your current wheels have solid axles. The Decathlon wheel needs to be used with a quick release skewer, which the website says is not included. If it does indeed not come with a skewer, this one is only £4.99 and a bargain (Shimano enclosed cam quick release skewers are the only ones worth getting).


The advert for the Decathlon wheel is misleading, to my advantage :D The wheel arrived and it does INCLUDE the quick release skewer :D

As for the rim that the dynamo hub is set into, it is not particularly good and certainly doesn't look anything like the existing Muddy Fox rim. I have therefore decided to have the dynamo removed from the new wheel and installed in my MF rim. The MF rim is in very good condition and will no doubt last as long as I want it too :D


I've got one of these wheels in my tourer. The rim isn't very high quality but has seen a year of use. I don't use it very often but it did do a two week tour this summer carrying four panniers, a bar bag and a tent. It remained true and no great signs of sidewall wear. Wouldn't it make sense to keep the orignal rim on and then change over the hub when the rim wears out?

slowster
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby slowster » 14 Aug 2019, 4:59pm

Derekn wrote:As for the rim that the dynamo hub is set into, it is not particularly good and certainly doesn't look anything like the existing Muddy Fox rim. I have therefore decided to have the dynamo removed from the new wheel and installed in my MF rim. The MF rim is in very good condition and will no doubt last as long as I want it too :D

Given whoof's experience of using the wheel for loaded touring, I would not spend money now on swapping the rims over. Assuming you would have to pay someone else to do this for you, and that you would probably also have to pay for new spokes (unless you were lucky and the ERD [effective rim diameters] of the two rims were within 1mm or 2mm of each other), you will end up spending more money than a wheel off the shelf would have cost from Taylor Wheels. Best to simply fit the wheel as is (apart maybe from stress relieving, which you should be able to do yourself) and get some use out of it. If after a few months or after heavy use it's showing signs of problems, then think about replacing the rim. For now, just get your money's worth from it.

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby RickH » 14 Aug 2019, 11:33pm

I thought about converting my 1986 Muddy Fox Explorer. While I ummed & ahhed over what I might do with it a "wanted" came up for a frame so I decided to split it & sell the frame (& recycle usable components onto other bikes).

This is the account of the resulting conversion. He seemed pleased with his build & I've been more than happy with the Kona Sutra Ltd that I ended up getting as a replacement.

This was my Muddy Fox
I think the frame, forks & seatpost were the only original parts
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This is what the frame became
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And, for completeness, this is what I ended up riding
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 14 Aug 2019, 11:45pm

I hear what you are saying whoof and slowster and would agree with you.
However, when I tried the rim on the bike it looked really odd ........ it is so very different to the Muddy Fox rim.
Also the Shimano wheel has a rim width slightly smaller than the original MF rim.

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 15 Aug 2019, 12:10am

RickH wrote:I thought about converting my 1986 Muddy Fox Explorer. While I ummed & ahhed over what I might do with it a "wanted" came up for a frame so I decided to split it & sell the frame (& recycle usable components onto other bikes).

This is the account of the resulting conversion. He seemed pleased with his build & I've been more than happy with the Kona Sutra Ltd that I ended up getting as a replacement.

This was my Muddy Fox
I think the frame, forks & seatpost were the only original parts
Image

This is what the frame became
Image

And, for completeness, this is what I ended up riding
FB_IMG_1565821818860.jpg


It's a nice bike RickH ....... your old MF and your new bike :-) Interesting that Adam77 has reduced the number of gears considerably....... I wonder why?

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 16 Aug 2019, 3:48pm

I would like some advice please :D

Please can someone tell me how to remove the plastic/rubber seal from the rear wheel. I seem to remember "as a kid back in the day" long before Muddy Fox, I made something that went through the hub and I tapped out the seal with a hammer!! :?
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Brucey
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Brucey » 16 Aug 2019, 3:51pm

my advice is "don't bother". You can clean everything you need to without disturbing it.

cheers
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Derekn
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 16 Aug 2019, 5:46pm

Today I collected my MF wheel with the new Shimano dynamo hub installed .......... well pleased with the result :D
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cycle tramp
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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby cycle tramp » 16 Aug 2019, 8:33pm

RickH wrote:I thought about converting my 1986 Muddy Fox Explorer. While I ummed & ahhed over what I might do with it a "wanted" came up for a frame so I decided to split it & sell the frame (& recycle usable components onto other bikes).

This is the account of the resulting conversion. He seemed pleased with his build & I've been more than happy with the Kona Sutra Ltd that I ended up getting as a replacement.

This was my Muddy Fox
I think the frame, forks & seatpost were the only original parts
Image

This is what the frame became
Image

And, for completeness, this is what I ended up riding
FB_IMG_1565821818860.jpg


That's a fine looking conversion :)

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby cycle tramp » 16 Aug 2019, 8:36pm

Derekn wrote:Today I collected my MF wheel with the new Shimano dynamo hub installed .......... well pleased with the result :D


I'd be interested in knowing how you find the marathon big apple tyres :)

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Re: Converting a Muddy Fox

Postby Derekn » 17 Aug 2019, 11:29am

Brucey wrote:my advice is "don't bother". You can clean everything you need to without disturbing it.

cheers


Thanks for that Bruce but I would still like to know how they are removed.