Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

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djnotts
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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby djnotts » 21 Aug 2020, 11:58am

Be as patronising as you wish. I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby geomannie » 21 Aug 2020, 2:17pm

This is why you should avoid carbon frames :D
https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/sta ... 10529?s=19
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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby JohnW » 21 Aug 2020, 3:09pm

djnotts wrote:Be as patronising as you wish. I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

I couldn't resist this dj - but why did you buy such rubbish bikes that they only lasted a couple of weeks........................?
Didn't you inspect them for faults before you took them home?
Did you sell them on?..........or did they get wrecked because motorists had driven into you? (as they do).
You must have had one gem of a salary.
To avoid being accused of being offensive, I have to add : :lol: :lol:

On average I've had a new frame built about every 10 or 12 years, some last a long time, and some experience "incidents".
I still have one built in 1972 (lying fallow at the moment) and one I'm riding almost daily built in 1981.
I submit that a lot depends upon our priorities - mine are longevity, serviceability, comfort and efficiency, resilience - I don't lean towards fashion and making an impression.
It's been said many times above, but "each to his own", eh?

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby djnotts » 21 Aug 2020, 3:50pm

Nothing wrong with any of them. Most I used on one or two CTC Rides, then moved them on. Some I modded to my taste, once done, fun over so start another project. I bore easily.

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby kylecycler » 21 Aug 2020, 6:56pm

geomannie wrote:This is why you should avoid carbon frames :D
https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/sta ... 10529?s=19

Not even an unique incident - a dog made a dog's dinner of this Dogma... :D

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby slowster » 22 Aug 2020, 11:50am

It's possible to make good or bad frames in steel, titanium, aluminium or carbon fibre.

Judging a frame solely on the material - and ignoring the design, the quality of materials used and of manufacture, and the end usage requirements (and taking an all round view of the environmental footprint) - is flawed.

As I posted previously, Raoul Luescher's videos are informative and well worth a look.


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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby De Sisti » 22 Aug 2020, 5:25pm

djnotts wrote:Be as patronising as you wish. I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

Could you be a bit more specific and let us know, during those few years when buying between 2 and 4
bikes a month, how many did you actually buy?

In comparison, these are all the frames I've had since 1994 (components treated as consumables):

trek mtb, steel: sold
trek 370, steel: sold
raleigh record, steel: car damage, binned
dawes audax, steel: sold
longstaff custom, steel: sold
hewitt cheviot, steel: sold
hewitt chiltern, steel: sold
xacd 1st frame, titanium: sold
xacd 2nd frame: titanium: crack on downtube, binned.

xacd 3rd frame: kept
dolan dual, carbon fibre: kept
spa audax, steel, kept

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby JohnW » 22 Aug 2020, 6:55pm

De Sisti wrote:
djnotts wrote:Be as patronising as you wish. I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

Could you be a bit more specific and let us know, during those few years when buying between 2 and 4
bikes a month, how many did you actually buy?

In comparison, these are all the frames I've had since 1994 (components treated as consumables):

trek mtb, steel: sold
trek 370, steel: sold
raleigh record, steel: car damage, binned
dawes audax, steel: sold
longstaff custom, steel: sold
hewitt cheviot, steel: sold
hewitt chiltern, steel: sold
xacd 1st frame, titanium: sold
xacd 2nd frame: titanium: crack on downtube, binned.

xacd 3rd frame: kept
dolan dual, carbon fibre: kept
spa audax, steel, kept


Show off! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby djnotts » 23 Aug 2020, 8:56am

De Sisti wrote:
djnotts wrote:Be as patronising as you wish. I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

Could you be a bit more specific and let us know, during those few years when buying between 2 and 4
bikes a month, how many did you actually buy?

In comparison, these are all the frames I've had since 1994 (components treated as consumables):

trek mtb, steel: sold
trek 370, steel: sold
raleigh record, steel: car damage, binned
dawes audax, steel: sold
longstaff custom, steel: sold
hewitt cheviot, steel: sold
hewitt chiltern, steel: sold
xacd 1st frame, titanium: sold
xacd 2nd frame: titanium: crack on downtube, binned.

xacd 3rd frame: kept
dolan dual, carbon fibre: kept
spa audax, steel, kept


No records, and those that came and went in a few weeks or were v cheap escape my memory! Random recollections incl
CBT Italia in SLX
Rotrax, Farrell, Carlton vintage fixed
Rogers 2 wheel drive trike
Fuji Mt Fuji SL at the time lightest out of the box mtb
3 On One Inbreds
One of only 3 made, the s/s (fixed with me) variant of On One's first Ti cyclo crosses
2 off RSP team Ti mtbs
Pace box-section mtb
Raleigh Titec Ti race bike
Aende tourer (quite rare, Pongo built few tourers)
Kona Sex 1 full susser
2 bents, one modern, other the first European production bent, a Roulandt
Raleighs - a lot, incl a nice Lenton 531
Carbon TCR
Carbon KTM (current)
Treks a few
Konas, a few, 2 current - a 95 Fire Mountain and a 2010 Blink
Fisher Sugar
Klein Mantra
..........
I know not a 100, but many I can't remember, and life too short .... daily ride beckons, the Blink I think!

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby djnotts » 23 Aug 2020, 9:11am

And .... 2 Bromptons (1 current), Dahon Curve (rare 8 speed), cheap Raleigh Ikea folder.

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby Cyril Haearn » 1 Sep 2020, 6:16am

djnotts wrote:..
I also have been cycling a long time and having gone through a phase of sometimes buying 2 - 4 bikes a month over a few years I am content with my generalisation.

Thread drift alert

Several cycles a month?
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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby Oldjohnw » 1 Sep 2020, 4:59pm

2-4 bikes a month over several years? Even over one year that is between 24 and 48 bikes.

You are Mr/Ms Halford
John

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby djnotts » 1 Sep 2020, 5:15pm

An addictive hobby. Replaced active alcoholism - not touched a drop for over 17 years and a few '00 quid a month cheaper than heavy duty drinking. When I switched to m'cycles for a couple of years, ended up with 3 in the garage at one time.

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby Oldjohnw » 1 Sep 2020, 6:36pm

djnotts wrote:An addictive hobby. Replaced active alcoholism - not touched a drop for over 17 years and a few '00 quid a month cheaper than heavy duty drinking. When I switched to m'cycles for a couple of years, ended up with 3 in the garage at one time.


I'm not criticising: it's entirely your affair. Just interested. Even flabbergasted.
John

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Re: Yet another reason to avoid carbon frames

Postby markjohnobrien » 1 Sep 2020, 8:21pm

djnotts wrote: . . . <SNIP> . . .

You’ve got good taste as you mention a fair few Raleigh’s and especially Raleigh Special Products