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Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 7:19pm
by Sweep
mattsccm wrote:I won't buy the environmental idea. That went long ago as far as cycling goes.

what does this even mean?

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 11:12pm
by jb
Bmblbzzz wrote:What bad experiences have you had with tubeless?

Well, three times now I've nearly frozen to death watching different tubeless aficionados trying to repair a leak that their magic fluids wouldn't touch. And their worms refused to cooperate. I've struggled getting their tyres off to fit tubes and got covered in gunk.
I've seen them used to good effect on off-road tracks abroad where spiny things are more aggressive but I be never seen them worth the bother on a road bike.

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 10:04am
by fatboy
Bmblbzzz wrote:What bad experiences have you had with tubeless?


People boring on about how wonderful it is :D

I had a puncture the other week (a rare experience) and I was trying to listen for where the hole was and along came two mountain bikers who spent 5 minutes telling me why I should be using tubeless. What I really needed was some peace to fix my problem not why I needed to change my good wheels and tyres!

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 6:29pm
by Ugly
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Shimano 10mm pitch chain fiasco

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 7:00pm
by jb
Ugly wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Shimano 10mm pitch chain fiasco

So what was the idea behind that? to allow them to claim slicker gear shifting whilst having teeth that wore out in half the time?

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 8:02pm
by Bmblbzzz
That's a puzzling one. Innovation for innovation's sake? It was 1976 (according to Wikipedia) so not recent in any case.
1976: Shimano briefly made their own 10 pitch Dura-Ace track-specific system with 10 mm (3⁄8 in) (approximately) pitch from about 1976[13] to 1980[14]—called Shimano Dura-Ace 10 pitch. The Shimano 10 pitch system is incompatible with ANSI standard #40 (1/2") e.g. chains, sprockets and so on,[15][16] and was outlawed by the Japan Keirin Association, helping in its demise.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_chain

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 8:23pm
by Brucey
fatboy wrote:
Bmblbzzz wrote:What bad experiences have you had with tubeless?


People boring on about how wonderful it is :D

I had a puncture the other week (a rare experience) and I was trying to listen for where the hole was and along came two mountain bikers who spent 5 minutes telling me why I should be using tubeless. What I really needed was some peace to fix my problem not why I needed to change my good wheels and tyres!


I'm not sure that even qualifies as moral support; maybe you can shut them up by reminding them of the messy business installing the things and the constant 'topping up' required. It reminds me of people who 'only carry a 5mm allen key because that is all they need' and who bother to stop and 'help' people; a thing that can happen is that they are revealed as being so smug they are in some danger of being punched in the face.

I usually stop and help people if they need it but then I'm also likely to be carrying more tools than I need for my bike alone.

cheers

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 6:37am
by mattsccm
Was responding to the idea that bikes should be cheap and also that they should be environmentally friendly. They are not espcially in many ways.

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 8:37am
by Brucey
mattsccm wrote:Was responding to the idea that bikes should be cheap and also that they should be environmentally friendly. They are not espcially in many ways.


Bikes are cheaper now (in relative terms) than they have ever been before.

Not all bikes are equally friendly to the environment. However even the worst plastic horror with a transmission that lasts five minutes is better than pretty much anything with a motor in it.

cheers

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 8:45am
by jb
mattsccm wrote:But why does everything have to have a long life? It can be fun to have something new and boring to have to hang on to something that won't wear out.
I won't buy the environmental idea. That went long ago as far as cycling goes.


Everything doesn't need a long life, it needs a life that is proportional to the cost of buying it. If sacrifices in durability have been made for unusual lightness then it should be clearly marked for 'event use only'.

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 9:13am
by freeflow
This is why I think tubeless tyres are pointless on road bikes. Last night at around 7:30pm. The tyre was a 35c Vittoria Hyper Voyager (my last pair <sob>). I've yet to check the tyre for equivalent damage.

Puncture2.jpg

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 10:10am
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
Mine is bigger than yours :mrgreen:
Well I reckon it's heavier anyway, but no 8 mm Allen key!
Didn't hurt when I tried to help someone with their crank bolt come loose.
But I had another go, a screwdriver and a six mil Allen key and I managed to tighten it up ha ha.
I keep meaning to buy one of those 6 to 8 mm thigumyjibs that go on the end of the six mil Allen key?
I don't need a whole set of got plenty of those, just a bit.

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 10:30am
by Cyckelgalen
Did anyone say eccentric bottom brackets? Not sure if it a "recent" innovation. I first came across one such BB on a Santos touring bike a few years ago.

From a touring perspective I really like detachable frames with S&S couplers to make air travel with your bike less awkward. Co-motion makes good sturdy steel touring frames with these couplers.

https://co-motion.com/pages/frame

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 10:37am
by Brucey
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:….I keep meaning to buy one of those 6 to 8 mm thigumyjibs that go on the end of the six mil Allen key?
I don't need a whole set of got plenty of those, just a bit.


If you have any kind of 8mm spanner, a short length of 8mm allen key is all you need.

cheers

Re: List of recent 'innovations' of the cycling industry

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 11:31am
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
Brucey wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:….I keep meaning to buy one of those 6 to 8 mm thigumyjibs that go on the end of the six mil Allen key?
I don't need a whole set of got plenty of those, just a bit.


If you have any kind of 8mm spanner, a short length of 8mm allen key is all you need.

cheers

Ha I never thought of that :wink: