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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby Si » 7 Oct 2009, 2:34pm

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Re: guv'nor; oh what a fabulous bike

Postby Si » 7 Oct 2009, 2:40pm

Secret Sam wrote:ewwww, no, absolutely not my cup of tea - why buy a 50s throwback in the noughties????


I think that the trick is to take the good bits that such old bikes had and mate them with the good bits that modern bikes have to make the best of both worlds.

For instance, the old slack angles are great when roads surfaces are getting ever worse, and many cycle paths almost require MTBs.
The up right position is great for comfort and riding in traffic.
Big tyres = comfort, guard clearance and skirt/coat guards mean that you can use everyday clothes, etc

Add these too modern, lightweight steel frames, good quality brakes, much improved hub gears, etc and you get a very fine machine for use as utility transport.

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Re: guv'nor; oh what a fabulous bike

Postby Secret Sam » 7 Oct 2009, 4:30pm

Si wrote:
Secret Sam wrote:ewwww, no, absolutely not my cup of tea - why buy a 50s throwback in the noughties????


I think that the trick is to take the good bits that such old bikes had and mate them with the good bits that modern bikes have to make the best of both worlds.

For instance, the old slack angles are great when roads surfaces are getting ever worse, and many cycle paths almost require MTBs.
The up right position is great for comfort and riding in traffic.
Big tyres = comfort, guard clearance and skirt/coat guards mean that you can use everyday clothes, etc

Add these too modern, lightweight steel frames, good quality brakes, much improved hub gears, etc and you get a very fine machine for use as utility transport.


Agreed - but that's not what Pashley have done, they've simply created a modern replica - and are charging a fortune...what's the point? It's a bike for poseurs, none of the advantages of the moderns and all the disadvantages of the old...
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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby pioneer » 7 Oct 2009, 4:57pm

Secret Sam does have a point. There was a great article on Radio 4 this morning about scrap and re-cycling. And with particular interest to us,it explained China's thirst for scrap and the recent price increases in metals. Yes, The Pashley is stupidly expensive (as IMO are the 09 Dawes range) but at least now I know that the old supply and demand law really is affecting new bike prices.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby random37 » 7 Oct 2009, 9:39pm

pioneer wrote:The Pashley is stupidly expensive (as IMO are the 09 Dawes range) but at least now I know that the old supply and demand law really is affecting new bike prices.


The Pashley isn't stupidly expensive when you consider it's made by craftsment in very, very small numbers in a tiny factory in Stratford on Avon. It's a very high quality, specialised piece of kit, so worth every penny.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby pioneer » 7 Oct 2009, 10:10pm

Chris, yes, I agree about it being built by craftsmen in small batches. But even given that the frame is Reynolds 531, £795. for a single speed or £825. for a 3 speed is way too much. Which is possibly why it's being heavily discounted by some stores.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby random37 » 7 Oct 2009, 10:41pm

I think the way to see it is not that the Guv'nor is too expensive, rather most other bikes are too cheap.

For the last few years, we've been utterly spoiled by the price of high quality, inexpensive bikes, but those days will soon be gone. Small, local builders will become much better value than they appear now.

I think it's a great bike, I'd have one if I had the money.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby pioneer » 8 Oct 2009, 4:43pm

The Pashley that I've lusted after for ages now is the Soveriegn high head roadster. I know it's heavy,old fashioned and belongs in a bygone age, but I'd love one for those sort of days when you just feel like pootling along, a straw hat sort of ride.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby Jonty » 11 Oct 2009, 11:28pm

Lovely classy bike but too highly geared for me. Surprised haven't seen Hastings riding one in Poirot. All bikes made in the UK will cost more than cheaper imports from the Far East. That's why the few remaining British bike manufacturers only survive by focusing on niche products like this bike.
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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby hubgearfreak » 11 Oct 2009, 11:35pm

pioneer wrote: the frame is Reynolds 531


almost, but if you look closely at their website, the sticker says 531 frame tubes. that's quite different to 531 throughout or 531 tubes, stays and forks. it's as little 531 as they could get away with buying and yet still have the sticker on there. sad, but there you go :|

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 12 Oct 2009, 12:30am

Been to the cycle show today and spent some time on the Pashley stan. The Guv'nor is nice but looks a bit heavy and ponderous. The Clubman howver is another matter - gorgeous: either in 3 speed fixed or 5 speed - Its the Pashley I would want. However my heart was stolen by Condor Classico...
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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby pioneer » 12 Oct 2009, 8:55am

Mike, the Clubman? Is it new, not heard of that one, some research methinks.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 12 Oct 2009, 9:16am

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It was at the show as a 3 speed SA fixed wheel, or as a 5 speed SA. The 5 speed was marked as a prototype. Interstingly the 3 speed fixed wasn't indicating that it might be available now?
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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby TheJollyJimLad » 12 Oct 2009, 10:16am

I stood staring at these beauties at the Cycle Show too!

From what I could gather from the friendly Pashley chap, they are looking to a lead in time of April 2010 for both models, prices should be about about £850 for the 3 speed (slightly more than a 3 speed guv'nor) and about £1250 for the 5 speed. From what I can recall, the 5 speed had more braze-ons. The Guv'nor was right next to them and they all looked wonderful and ready for a relaxed adventure on Kirrin Island with lashings of Ginger Beer at the ready in the Carradice saddlebag.

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Re: Pashley Guv'nor

Postby pioneer » 12 Oct 2009, 10:28am

Thanks Mike. That's too dissimilar from how my Raleigh Pioneer turned out with it's Sturmey' 5 speed hub. (Prior to that it was a 3 speed,68" fixed and originally 21 speed!).


What colour is the Clubman,it looks sort of off' cream?