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Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 12 Jan 2010, 12:05pm

Right, now my old 531 is being submitted to Argos for renovation, I've an issue with brakes: it's got huge clearances, designed for 27" wheels with wide tyres, so have fitted some cheap long drop (58-73mm) dual pivot (nut fitting) calipers.

Trouble is, they won't last forever, so what do I do? Could get frame drilled for allen key brakes, but not sure if I can find any calipers (the current brakes are right at the top of their travel, so it's only about 58-60mm drop). Am totally at a loss, have asked Argos for advice but wondered if any wise sages on here could help.
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Freddie » 12 Jan 2010, 12:40pm

Just wondering why you think the won't "last forever" and that a swankier, allen bolt pair might. If anything the cheapness might weigh in their favour, because as the price goes up people want to see the weight come down. That people still run Resilion cantilevers from the 30's might allay your fears, if not buy a second pair?.

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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 12 Jan 2010, 12:51pm

Freddie wrote:Just wondering why you think the won't "last forever" and that a swankier, allen bolt pair might. If anything the cheapness might weigh in their favour, because as the price goes up people want to see the weight come down. That people still run Resilion cantilevers from the 30's might allay your fears, if not buy a second pair?.


Ah, yes :oops: could just buy a spare...at £10 a set they're not exactly expensive.

Don't get this whole lightness thing, I got back into cycling after 20 years off and SO much change in technology (carbon everything, STIs, 20 speeds!!!!) but the whole lightness thing makes I larff - "Ooh I must save 30g by spending £100 more on a set of brakes" - as said by someone with an ar5e like the back end of a bus (ie like mine :lol: )
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Freddie » 12 Jan 2010, 1:00pm

It's a conundrum, obviously some marketeers have got in on the cycling game. On the one hand, it's nice that you can get things done when you go to an LBS, but on the other hand when you raise a question of a remotely technical nature you get a blank stare, OK, the old boy who took 3 months to build you a pair of wheels was a grumpy old git at times and wouldn't know hurry if he had it stamped into his forehead, but at least he knew bikes, rather than just how to sell them.

What are these £10 brakes you speak of?.

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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby 531colin » 12 Jan 2010, 1:28pm

How about canti's? If you're having a respray anyway. Some marketeer has re-invented the old-fashioned sort that stick out the side and work with road levers.

Grumpy old Colin. (Well, I'm entitled to be grumpy. What's the point in being retired when theres too much snow + ice to go out riding?)

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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 12 Jan 2010, 2:52pm

Freddie wrote:It's a conundrum, obviously some marketeers have got in on the cycling game. On the one hand, it's nice that you can get things done when you go to an LBS, but on the other hand when you raise a question of a remotely technical nature you get a blank stare, OK, the old boy who took 3 months to build you a pair of wheels was a grumpy old git at times and wouldn't know hurry if he had it stamped into his forehead, but at least he knew bikes, rather than just how to sell them.

What are these £10 brakes you speak of?.


Ali-Bongos (Alhongas???) I think Spa sell them, anyhoo mine were unbranded and decidely sniffy bloke at Condor basically told me that was it in terms of options. But then, my bike cost less than a month's salary, I'm fat* and I don't have SPD-SL cleats surgically implanted into the soles of my feet so I probably didn't warrant more TLC.

They're fine but you get what you pay for. At least they work, more than can be said for my old Weinmann 633 Centre-pulls that they replaced (which were feckin' hopeless).

*Although that didn't stop them being nice to Alexei Sayle one day when he dropped in
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 12 Jan 2010, 2:54pm

531colin wrote:How about canti's? If you're having a respray anyway. Some marketeer has re-invented the old-fashioned sort that stick out the side and work with road levers.

Grumpy old Colin. (Well, I'm entitled to be grumpy. What's the point in being retired when theres too much snow + ice to go out riding?)


£25 extra per set for the braze ons, plus cable hanger out back. An extra £70+ onto a bill which (as I pointed out to Argos) is already greater than the original cost of the frame :oops: (mind you, you could pick up decent steelies for pennies back then, mine cost £150 in 1989ish all 531c).
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby meic » 12 Jan 2010, 3:02pm

Long reach, nut fitting Alhongas fitted 3 years and 8,000 miles ago. Going fine, I only wish I could get more of the pads that were on it, they were better than the Shimano's, Jagwires and something else that have been on since.
They get a bit of surface rust quite quickly but after the first proper service and regrease they havent been looked at again. If I was you I would worry about replacing them when the time comes to do so, as that day will probably never arrive.
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 12 Jan 2010, 3:06pm

meic wrote:Long reach, nut fitting Alhongas fitted 3 years and 8,000 miles ago. Going fine, I only wish I could get more of the pads that were on it, they were better than the Shimano's, Jagwires and something else that have been on since.
They get a bit of surface rust quite quickly but after the first proper service and regrease they havent been looked at again. If I was you I would worry about replacing them when the time comes to do so, as that day will probably never arrive.


OK, ta - depending on price of Allen key conversion at Argos I may resist and keep what I've got.

Blocks: I use Aztec/Kool Stop on mine. I've got the original pads in a jar on a shelf!!!! Am impressed by the performance relative to original brakes; however, the V-brakes on my other bike are in another solar system again (although a bit 'on or off' - not much modulation)
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby rjb » 12 Jan 2010, 5:27pm

You could allways make some drop bolts as described by Sheldon Brown and use normal drop calipers. Here is a link to an earlier post and a picture of a drop bolt i made to fit smaller wheels in my Dawes Kingpin. It actually looks neater in the flesh than the pic shows.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26948&p=214601&hilit=kingpin#p214601
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby willem jongman » 12 Jan 2010, 5:40pm

SJSC do the nutted version of the Tektro R556
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby whoops » 12 Jan 2010, 9:01pm

No longer available.
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby Secret Sam » 13 Jan 2010, 11:50am

whoops wrote:Secretsam, would a pair of Weinmann 730 stirrups do the job you want? PM me if they will do, and I'll sort some out for you.


Muhahaha nah, I want brakes that work, if it was old ineffectivce Weinmanns that I wanted I'd put my old CPs back on

BTW - anyone want them? They are going spare
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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby evansthecrank » 13 Jan 2010, 1:43pm

Another vote for the Tektro R556 nut fitting (got mine from Byercycles)

Nice finish, proper quick release, good braking.

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Re: Long drop brakes

Postby RJC » 13 Jan 2010, 3:13pm

whoops wrote:No longer available.

Are you sure? They did disappear for a while but they are now showing back in stock.

You won't find the nut fitting versions of this brake in the average bike shop, as the UK importer doesn't think there
is any demand. SJS ordered a batch direct and presumably shared them with Spa & Byercycles.

The quick release mechanism on this brake opens significantly more than the average dual-pivot which will make
getting wide tyres off easier but you won't have any brake at all if you forget to close them.