What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

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mountainman531
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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby mountainman531 » 9 Feb 2011, 8:47pm

As I understand it 3 in 1 is a vegetable oil and it is better to use a mineral oil.
I use tf2 in summer and in the winter whatever goes in the car engine.
I use the cheapest srqam chains and change them after 1,000 miles. This way a cassette lasts a long time.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby sweatysock » 9 Feb 2011, 8:59pm

Mick F wrote:Actually, I've tried WD40 in the past and 3in1 on chains, and it wasn't until the late 1980s/early 1990s that I discovered chain specific lubricant.

Until then, I expected a chain to feel 'crunchy' and gritty when you touched it or took it off. Plain oils are sticky, I knew that then, but didn't know there were alternatives.

I tried grease, cooking oil, gearbox oil, engine oil, as well as the WD40 and 3in1. All rubbish - as it turned out. I used to run my chains until the sprockets jumped and buy new sprockets and a new chain, and carry on. I knew no better.


FWIW That's me too!

WD40 great cleaner and for getting glue residue off things. (Very good for adhesive tape andsticker residue!!)
3 in 1 great cleaner and lbe for my hair/beard clippers.

Sandy

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby CREPELLO » 9 Feb 2011, 9:28pm

mountainman531 wrote:As I understand it 3 in 1 is a vegetable oil and it is better to use a mineral oil.

Hmm. I always considered 3 in 1 a mineral oil - it's got that sulphurish smell about it.
I might be wrong :wink: , but when this oil was first sold, it was an age when mineral oil was the standard lube. Have they changed the formula?

There is certainly no need to use a mineral oil. I use Motorex Wet lube. This is veg based, very water resistent, makes for quiet transmission and (happily) is also easy to clean off hands.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby Mick F » 9 Feb 2011, 9:35pm

You don't have to believe Wiki, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-in-1

"bought by the owners of WD40"
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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby CREPELLO » 9 Feb 2011, 9:47pm

Found the 3 in 1 data sheet here. Seems that they scent it with citronella, not something I remember from when I was young! It's a mineral oil although even the data sheet isn't explicit on this, defining it as a 'spindle oil'.

But consider this. It was probably the first purpose made cycle oil and it was formulated to lube, resist corrosion and clean - all 3 in 1 - a high tech premium product! So this was the Finishline of it's day. I wonder if people had to pay the cycle lube premium back then as we do on other oils now?

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby georgew » 10 Feb 2011, 9:52am

mountainman531 wrote:As I understand it 3 in 1 is a vegetable oil and it is better to use a mineral oil.
I use tf2 in summer and in the winter whatever goes in the car engine.
I use the cheapest srqam chains and change them after 1,000 miles. This way a cassette lasts a long time.


I too heard somewhere that 3 in 1 was a vegetable oil and for that reason undesirable in that it left a deposit. Wish I could remember.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby AlanD » 10 Feb 2011, 1:14pm

Si wrote:Once used 3-in-1 in a curry as we had no cooking oil. I can report that it worked extremely well and the curry went down very smoothly. The remnants, left in the pan, had turned somewhat green by the next morning, but it was still edible as breakfast-curry. Hope this helps.



Never mind the going down, did it lubricate the parts even a certain brand of drink cannot reach and make the 'passing' easier :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry Si, I could'nt resist that.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby g00se » 10 Feb 2011, 1:56pm

Trigger wrote: I've got a can of both, WD40 to shift any water and TF2 to lube afterwards.


The aerosol TF2 is a water displacer too - it's basically WD40 with their teflon-based synthetic dry oil (they sell it without the water displacer as TF2+Dry). You don't need the WD40 first.

I think the TF2 aerosol is pretty much the same as GT85. If you're using WD40 alone, best lube it as well.

If you're going to do the full works on a chain, soak it in degreaser, wash it clean with water and then chase the water and lube with the TF2 to get Teflon inside the bearing surfaces. The you can also use a synth lube depending on the weather conditions. I've got their version of Finishline Wet - called TF2Extreme.

Alternatively, just regularly rag it down and oil it a bit.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby songsforpolarbears » 10 Feb 2011, 2:19pm

The Mick F method on a budget:

No TF2 in this town, and was shocked at the price of Gunk (and couldn't find the tubs of liquid which I would have preferred, just the aerosol), so here's what I'm using:

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and, from Wilkos (made by Weldtite):

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On this chain:

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I'll report back how my first drivechain cleaning goes.

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby reohn2 » 10 Feb 2011, 6:12pm

mountainman531 wrote:As I understand it 3 in 1 is a vegetable oil and it is better to use a mineral oil.
I use tf2 in summer and in the winter whatever goes in the car engine.
I use the cheapest srqam chains and change them after 1,000 miles. This way a cassette lasts a long time.

That surely isn't cost effective?
cheapest Sram chain(you don't say if its 7/8or9sp)= say £9(?) one every 1,000miles,if you use 6 chains per cassette thats £54 on chains alone for 6,000miles plus a cassette say £14(?)= £68 :shock:
If you get twelve chains to one cassette it still = £61(six chains and half the price of a cassette) per 6,000miles
I buy either 870(7sp)= £12,or 971(9sp)=£16
I get approx 6,000miles out of one chain and usually three chains before I need to renew the cassette,the last 7sp cassette I bought cost £14 and the last 9sp one cost £20.Three 7sp chains and a cassette = £50 for 18,000miles.
Same equation for 9sp costs £68.
I also use TF2 :D
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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby reohn2 » 10 Feb 2011, 6:48pm

g00se wrote:
I think the TF2 aerosol is pretty much the same as GT85. If you're using WD40 alone, best lube it as well.


No its not, TF2 is thicker and stays put longer in wet weather.
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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby gaz » 11 Feb 2011, 12:58pm

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I used 3-in-1 this morning.

I think it's time to do some maintenance but I might just nurse things through the rest of winter. :wink:
There'll be tarmac over, the white cliffs of Dover ...

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby galavanter » 17 Feb 2011, 7:33pm

Nothing to do with cycling but WD40 has been used as an attractor on sea fishing bait seemingly. multi purpoise

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby aprildavy » 17 Feb 2011, 10:32pm

I use petrol to clean the chain and 3 in 1 to lubricate, and have done for years. WD40 isn't a lubricant?

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Re: What's wrong with 3 in 1 oil and WD40?

Postby pherron » 17 Feb 2011, 11:56pm

3 in 1 is commonly reputed to be vegetable based. Only the tiny amount of citronella oil used is such (well fruit based!). The vast bulk is 'spindle oil' which a small amount of Googling reveals to be, in this specific case, naphthenic oil. This is a mineral oil, i.e. petroleum based. I recently read a whole set of posts saying it would ruin Sturmey 3 speeds because of all the vegatable gunk - pure myth it seems to me. 3 in 1 is a perfectly good general purpose lubricating and cleaning oil. It is most certainly not the best chain lubricant in the world as it is sticky and turns dirt into a fine black grinding paste. It would be better than nothing, but with modern narrow derailleur drive trains it is no longer good enough, and belongs to 1/8th chains if anywhere at all.