FRAMESAVER where else to get it from ?

[aek]

Hello everyone,

I'm looking at buying a tube of J P Weigle FRAMESAVER and the only shop that seems to sell it online is eighteen bikes:
http://shop.18bikes.co.uk/products.php?show=39

What i don't understand is Why on earth do they charge 7.50 for P&P ? Isn't this way over the normal prices ?

Thank you

[Mick F]

Pop into your local Halfords.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... yId_165594
Waxoyl comes in aerosol cans and can be squirted into your tubes easily.

I've never seem Framesaver, but I cannot believe it's any better than Waxoyl.

Make sure your frame is nice and warm and the stuff spreads nicely.

[aek]

Have you used Waxoil Mick, what do you use on your Vincitore ?

Thanks.

[Mick F]

Waxoyl, but only into the tubes that have openings.

Top tube and down tube are totally sealed at both ends, as are the stays, forks and bridges. Therefore all I've been able to do are steerer and head tube, seat tube and BB.

[gilesjuk]

It's £7.50 shipping as the Royal Mail refuse to ship it, it's an aerosol and not pleasant stuff.

Having spoken to Royal Mail, we are no longer able to send this item via Royal Mail services. Therefore the delivery charge will be £7.50 as we have to send it with FedEx

Is waxoyl in spray form runny enough to run into skinny steel chainstays?

[Mick F]

Is waxoyl in spray form runny enough to slide into skinny steel chainstays?

I've never used the aerosol version, I have a big can and a pump unit.

I used to have old Minis and they rust quite well, so Waxoyl was a saviour to them. I got through gallons of the stuff over the years. The pump unit has a spray nozzle and trigger assembly at the end of the flexible hose and can get into all the nooks and crannies of a Mini.

With bikes, you are best to warm the frame nicely - sunny day? - and squirt it into anywhere you can get it. If the Waxoyl is warm too, it has a runny consistency and will travel quite well. I suppose the aerosol is the same.

It goes on fairly clear and oil-like but dries to a thick orangy-brown wax. It has "rust-eater" in it and reacts with rust to turn it black. If it goes onto clean rust-free steel, it remains orangy-brown and translucent.

If it gets warm again, it will soften and run/drip. My BB is topped up with the stuff because it's tracked down the seat tube! Each time I take out my BB, I have to wipe some out, but it's great for coating the BB threads.

[tooley92]

Ceeway sell it, but I don't know how much they charge for postage.

http://www.ceeway.com/Framesaver.htm

[aek]

Ceeway's number is redirected to a voicemail box. Their website looks really dodgy as well, it's like they're no longer in business. Anyway, they seem to charge exactly the same for delivery as eighteen bikes.

I think i'm going to either use Waxoil or look at other options. I do want to do this in the next 2 days as i'm going to start assembling my new bike !

Does anyone know of any other alternatives and what is your experience with them ?

[AndyA]

Ceeway's website does look rubbish, they are a good bunch though. Maybe they take mondays off?

I use waxoyl in my steel bikes, I'd echo Mick's advice of warming up the frame. I put the frame on the radiator for an hour, turn the frame upside down, spray it in the blowholes at the end of the chainstays, seatstays and forks. Leave it for an hour then spray some into the main tubes, turning every 5 mins or so to make sure it's fully distributed round the tubes. I do this about once a year

[aek]

Thanks Andy, after a bit more consideration and reading a lot of good things about Waxoil, i decided to go and pick up a tube today.

[aek]

I picked up a tube of Waxoyl last night from Halfords and at about 10pm i was ready to do the job.
Not sure how you guys heat the frame, but putting my frame next to the radiator didn't do anything at all. I gave the Waxoyl tube a very good shake and i started to squirt into the chain stays. What was really weird is that after a few squirts, it seemed to be getting thicker and thicker and it wasn't flowing.

Is it possible that the Waxoyl tube is too old and the stuff is no longer suitable for the job or it's how it's supposed to be. I don't see how i can coat the whole tube with it being this thick.

I was thinking of using a hair drier to heat up the tubes, but i'm not too sure how safe this is and whether it will make any difference or not.

Advice would be appreciated.

[AndyA]

Put it on top of the radiator, heat rises
I forgot to mention that I put it on the radiator between sprays. It's fairly inconsistent stuff, but I reckon by heating the frame slightly, spraying it liberally and rotating between applications it evens out. You only need a very small amount to prevent surface corrosion. Some people use car oil as they feel it gives a better coating, I like waxoil cos it's thicker.

It will leak out the blowholes, watch out for your carpet!
PS don't loose sleep about getting every square centimetre covered in the stuff, Jobst Brandt reckons it'd take at least 100 years for a cro-mo frame like yours to rust to the extent that it'll fail. Waaay more likely that it'll crack or be crashed in the intervening century

[Mick F]

10pm isn't the best time, far better is a warm sunny day and lie you frame down for a spot of sunbathing for a few hours. Also warm the Waxoyl.

[aek]

10pm isn't the best time, far better is a warm sunny day and lie you frame down for a spot of sunbathing for a few hours. Also warm the Waxoyl.

How do you warm the Waxoyl ? On the tin it says not to leave it in Sunlight, i've got the Aerosol version.

[Mick F]

Dunno specifically, but I'm not talking about heating it, just warming it. Also, the main liquid in there is white spirit - I think - and it needs a damned good shake to get it to mix with the waxy stuff. As you shake it, you can feel it getting looser in the can. I've not used aerosol, but I can't see why it should be any different.

Perhaps stand it on a radiator and shake it frequently to mix it. So long as Waxoyl is warm - and well-mixed, it will be runny. If it isn't, it must be either too cool and/or not mixed thoroughly enough.