Seat post sizing problem

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nsew
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Re: Seat post sizing problem

Postby nsew » 21 Dec 2017, 10:19pm

Brucey wrote:
nsew wrote:Would they be European metric?


no, they offered different seat tube specifications, intended for larger/stiffer framesets. They may have started to do this after Tony Oliver's book was published.

cheers


That makes sense, regular ST can be quite flexy in a large frame. Do you have knowledge of Designer Select? All I’ve found is info online where someone states it’s a tubeset mix of 531c and ST requested by the framebuilder.

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Re: Seat post sizing problem

Postby Brucey » 21 Dec 2017, 10:31pm

designer select was a new way of saying that the frame builder was doing his job properly instead of using an 'off the peg' tubeset, which is what 531C was.

531 was always available in a wide variety of different gauges and good framebuilders always chose tubes (often from their stock) that reflected the customer and the intended purpose of the frame. Most of them would happily put the angled DB transfer on the finished frame, but plenty wouldn't bother with one at all once that transfer went obsolete; none of the standard labels reflected that the tubes were carefully chosen and Reynolds may have been fussy about issuing the designer select labels.

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Re: Seat post sizing problem

Postby Roadster » 22 Dec 2017, 12:07am

Brucey wrote: 531 was always available in a wide variety of different gauges...

The actual metal from which the tubes were drawn may have been, but is that true of tube sets specifically designated as "531C" and "531ST"? Apart from a small number of custom builds, weren't their specifications reasonably standardized?

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Re: Seat post sizing problem

Postby Brucey » 22 Dec 2017, 10:28am

Roadster wrote:
Brucey wrote: 531 was always available in a wide variety of different gauges...

The actual metal from which the tubes were drawn may have been, but is that true of tube sets specifically designated as "531C" and "531ST"? Apart from a small number of custom builds, weren't their specifications reasonably standardized?


when both tubesets were launched, there were few if any 'options'. The rationale was that in more mass-produced frames, the customer would know what they were getting, in contrast the previous (apparently confusing) situation where a touring bike and a racing bike might have the same sticker on the frame but different gauge tubes within it.

Of course it is an utter nonsense to use the same gauge tubes for different sizes of frameset, even if they are intended to be used for the same purpose, so various options were introduced. If you bought a handbuilt frame (even with a particular sticker on it) it would quite likely have tubes that differed from the standard specification, if the builder deemed it to be of benefit.

Small changes in frame performance could be achieved by trimming the tube butts differently etc. However generally speaking the standard tubesets might have built into reasonable frames for riders of average weight (70-80kg) and frame size (22-23-1/2" typically) but outside that they were decreasingly useful.

BTW if you ever have the opportunity to ride the same tubeset built into differently sized frames, or even just very differently sized frames, take it. A very small frame built in the lightest possible tubes can feel stiffer than a very large frame built in the heaviest possible 531ST (standard diameter) tube gauges.

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