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steeleagle
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Carradice cotton duck

Postby steeleagle » 13 Jul 2012, 1:46am

I want to have a go at making my own saddle & handle bar bags, and maybe eventually some panniers. Traditional style, like carradice.

But was just wondering if the fabric they use is the same as generic waterproof cotton like this;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heavy-Cotton- ... _963wt_985

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby fatboy » 13 Jul 2012, 8:47am

It is probably the same sort of stuff but I don't know. The weave looks similar in the photo
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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby Brucey » 13 Jul 2012, 8:50am

it might be; but cotton fabrics like this are usually specified by weight per unit area, and this isn't stated, it is just 'heavy' which could mean anything really.

I guess you could always buy some and compare it directly.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby breakwellmz » 13 Jul 2012, 9:12am

I would ask for a sample.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby Brucey » 13 Jul 2012, 9:33am

wikipedia lists the types by fabric weight and a # system;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck

and I note that SJS list at least one carradice bag as using 18oz (i.e. #1) fabric, the heaviest type.

Nice article on classic lightweights site;

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/carradice-components.html

I have a longflap bag which I have used (not every day, but often) for nearly thirty years now.

Proper cotton duck for saddlebags and panniers is treated to be rot-proof etc. Lesser grades which are used for upholstery etc may not be similarly treated.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby robc02 » 13 Jul 2012, 10:48am

Pennine Outdoor have a good range of fabrics and fasteners.

This one could be worth a look. They also sell a proofed version.

Hope you've got a heavyweight sewing machine to match!

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby Brucey » 13 Jul 2012, 2:36pm

hmm maybe... but 300g/msq is about half the weight of an 18oz fabric if my sums are anywhere near.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby steeleagle » 13 Jul 2012, 4:47pm

robc02 wrote:Hope you've got a heavyweight sewing machine to match!


Going to hand stitch the whole thing.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby robc02 » 13 Jul 2012, 6:09pm

Brucey wrote:hmm maybe... but 300g/msq is about half the weight of an 18oz fabric if my sums are anywhere near.

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I didn't even look at that, to be honest!

Pennine Outdoor do a wide range of materials and are, or used to be, happy to send out samples. It might be worth giving them a call.

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby robc02 » 13 Jul 2012, 6:10pm

Going to hand stitch the whole thing.


Best of luck. You've got more patience than me!

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby hubgearfreak » 13 Jul 2012, 10:33pm

steeleagle wrote:
robc02 wrote:Going to hand stitch the whole thing.

i've made one, i wouldn't do it again

the photos are there on the infamous togglechaintour bikes thread

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby hubgearfreak » 13 Jul 2012, 10:49pm

this may be useful, ebay item 150818592416

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby robc02 » 13 Jul 2012, 11:00pm

I've successfully stitched this Cordura fabric on a domestic sewing machine. Not as heavy as Carradice cotton duck but still substantial and hardwearing. (I made a bag to carry the daggerboard, rudder etc. for a Laser sailing dinghy - it proved very durable).

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby steeleagle » 13 Jul 2012, 11:54pm

robc02 wrote:
Going to hand stitch the whole thing.


Best of luck. You've got more patience than me!


Im going to use a hand sewing awl, the kind of thing people use to sew leather. It'll get through anything. I know people (including my mother) who have hand sewed dresses and complicated pieces of clothing. I had a great uncle who used to hand stitch fishing nets.

Unfortunately I do not have any direct experience myself, and my mother cannot see well enough now to help. But I am pretty confident it will be manageable. And certainly not an expensive or dangerous experiment (like frame building - which I am also thinking about!)

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Re: Carradice cotton duck

Postby hubgearfreak » 14 Jul 2012, 12:08am

found it......

i quite liked the shape of the green one below, as opposed to carradice who make brilliant bags but don't do the colour i'm after.

here's a pic of one identical to the one i got from ebay.

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and here's some manx tweed* in the right colour. if you can recall my wheels, i think you'll agree it'll look quite dashing
* other tweeds are available

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then, i wasted weeks trying to find something to stiffen the tweed with. finally i found some pelmet hessian from dunelm mill. it's like tightly woven sack cloth, impregnated with some glue or polymer. simply apply a generous amount of waterproof PVA to it

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weigh it down overnight between two rejects of kitchen worktop

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and you'll find that you've got stiffened tweed. excuse my eldest, he's the oppposite of camera shy :mrgreen: in this pic is also the cheap and nasty vinyl one.

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so draw round and measure what it is you wish to reproduce.

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trim with some leather furniture place's offcuts that can be had cheaply off ebay

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start with some tack welds, that aren't welds.

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more trimming

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then with 4mm shoulder bridle leather and buckles again from ebay, make up your fixings and erm, fix.

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