531colin wrote:So if we stick with the facts the Vaya has either the same tube sizes as the LHT, or bigger in the newest incarnation, and the geometry is very similar.
The Vaya has a disc fork, but then the rim brake LHT fork is no lightweight, and I can't tell the difference between a disc and rim brake LHT fork.
Have you seen my edit above?
Comparing the LHT disc fork to the Vaya's there's not much in them,the LHT under certain conditions can just ever so slliigghhttyy judder usually at a slow speed when it's wet,but nothing that concerns me.
The trouble with bike reviews is that one reviewer finds a bike "dead" or "dull" or something like that.....subsequent reviewers expect to find the same, and guess what, they do.
I think its just about as reliable as manufacturers quoted weights.
I agree,when someone's being paid to ride bikes and report on them usually,though there are exceptions,unless the bike's a complete dog,they don't want to upset anyone and some reading between the lines is needed.
It's one reason I prefer to read owner/user reports.The one I linked to above seems a fair test over quite distance,and for the Vaya IME rings true,their comparison to the LHT isn't something I can comment on but,the LHT has an enviable reputation as a 'take you round the world kitchen sink an' all' expedition bike.
The Vaya doesn't seem to get that kind of reception,loaded touring but not heavily loaded touring yes.Unladen nimble fun to ride bike,IME it doesn't feel at all like a 13kg bike.
A true Jack with a bit of extra something that's hard to actually put a finger on,but secure handling on and off tarmac and a feeling of almost boringly reliable point and shoot handling with no vices.
I've said before on here I've had the feeling of being in it rather than on it and at risk of sounding New Agey a oneness with,it fits the roll perfectly,for me anyway
When I came to buy the second Vaya frameset,I looked closely and gave the Fargo a good coat of staring at,but came to the conclusion it couldn't take me anywhere the Vaya couldn't.
I wouldn't fit 2inch knobbles as they'd kill the pleasure of any tarmac riding,I looked around if anything else filled the bill so I would have a change of ride,I didn't fancy anything I looked at, it had to be a second Vaya.
I don't think I've made a wrong decision.