Have you read this:- http://pathlesspedaled.com/2012/12/sals
They rate the Vaya as a tourer that's a nice ride unloaded and the LHT as a heavy tourer and mention the unloaded harshness
That was one of the articles that initially raised my question! With the information available it doesn't seem logical.
The questions i always ask myself when reading reports are
a)do these people have any reason the favour one thing over the other ie; are they Salsa employees,etc.
b)Do their finding ring true with others I've read.
c)Do they seem to have cycling experience.
d)Do their experience of the bike ring true with mine
I'm probably not, but then my choice would be between a mid-heavy weight tourer vs a lighter weight tourer. My experience is mainly with 531C frames weighing under 2kg and forks around 800g. I seem to remember figures for 531ST frames around or slightly over 2kg - all in my size or thereabouts. I'd be interested to know the weight of something like a Bob Jackson World Tour in 631 OS compared to a LHT.
There ain't a comparison with 531C and 531ST they're two completely different tubesets.
The BJ I'd guess would be lighter than a LHT or a Vaya but not much,also It'll only take 32mm tyres IIRC,which would be a significant drawback for me.
I would have guessed that any noticeable harshness would come from the fork, but the Vaya fork is the same weight give or take a few grammes. A 531 fork is quite a bit lighter.
You'd need a significant hockey stick curve to a 531ST fork to get any kind of worthwhile give in it IME.
I'll be perfectly honest I rely on tyres for my comfort,big 35x35mm supple supple rubber run at the correct psi for load,they make a heck of a difference to ride quality and they aren't slow either,IME.
True, but then the Vaya has a sloping top tube which would result in weight saved so going someway towards compensating for the disc brake fittings. Whichever way you look at it there doesn't seem to be an obvious large difference in weight or construction to justify the claims that one of these gives a much harsher ride than the other. - I'm not saying it doesn't, just that I can't see why.
I agree but without riding both for a while you'll never truly know the difference.You pays yer money,etc
EDIT: I was comparing the 58cm sizes in both for a direct comparison in terms of weight and effective top tube length. A 57 would be slightly better but is not available in the LHT.
FWIW I weighed the new Vaya frame and forks seperately bofore I built it up or fitted the headset,the fork was spot on Salsa's spec,the frame was 100g under spec.
Anyway a 0.75l bidon weighs 750g,two weigh 1.5kg.Unless I was traversing a dessert,I've found a 0.5l bottle and the first house/pub/stable/caravan site,etc when it's empty,saves me lugging around 1.25kg of extra weight