10 speed on touring bikes

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Would you buy a tourer with a 10 speed cassette?

Poll ended at 22 Oct 2014, 10:56pm

Yes
12
39%
Yes, but change it to run with 7/8/9 speed cassette
4
13%
No
10
32%
No, I want 11!
1
3%
No, I only want hub gears!
4
13%
 
Total votes: 31

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Erudin
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10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Erudin » 22 Sep 2014, 10:56pm

I've noticed new tourers (eg. Thorn and Dawes) now have 10 speed gear as the norm, and some are downgrading to lower speeds as soon as they buy them. Does your tourer have a 10 speed cassette, are you happy with it?
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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Mick F » 23 Sep 2014, 9:47am

My bike is a "tourer", and not a "racer". I tour with it and never race.
It was originally built up by me as a 6sp double, then went to a 7sp double. 7sp was the maximum you could get back then.

8sp came along, but it needed a completely new hub, so I never bothered. Many years later, I modernised to 9sp (and went to triple at the same time), then later to 10sp triple.

I'll be on 11sp before my cycling life is through, or maybe 12sp. I'm all for as many ratios as I can get. The more the merrier for me, but I think I'll go "backwards" to friction DT levers for it as the continual Ergo developments aren't really necessary. If my 10sp Ergos bite the dust, they won't be replaced no matter how many cogs I have on the cassette in the future.
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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby CREPELLO » 23 Sep 2014, 10:50am

No. 9 is plenty for me.

For some reason, whenever I vote in these polls I get a message saying my vote is invalid :? So my vote hasn't registered.

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Bicycler » 23 Sep 2014, 11:40am

Yes. I mean it wouldn't be a deal breaker for touring in Europe. I'd prefer to stick to 8 sprockets or fewer and not have STI shifters but I would wear through a 10spd drivetrain before deciding whether it was worth the faff of upgrading ( :wink: ) to fewer gears and separate controls.

To be fair to the bike manufacturers they don't have a lot of choice because component manufacturers are progressively adding gears to their groupsets. Less than 10 speed increasingly means budget components

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby karlt » 23 Sep 2014, 11:42am

Bicycler wrote: Less than 10 speed increasingly means budget components


Double win.

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Bicycler » 23 Sep 2014, 11:48am

karlt wrote:
Bicycler wrote: Less than 10 speed increasingly means budget components


Double win.

Haha, I agree. It is amazing how often the budget stuff works just as well as the expensive stuff :D

But, in an industry where branding is so important and there are too many snobs, are big bike companies going to put an entry level groupset on their flagship tourer?
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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby beardy » 23 Sep 2014, 11:49am

10 speed Tiagra offers a range suitable for tourers and at a good price, it also works well enough.

The reason why I would not have a ten speed is because the chains can not be broken and joined with a chain tool not using any special links.
I use powerlinks to join my chains but like the fact I can always sort them out with a chain tool if needed.

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby foxyrider » 23 Sep 2014, 11:50am

Given that my tourer did one tour on 8 then upgraded to Campag 9 then again to 10 i've never seen any reason not to use 10 in terms of wear or even cost.

I have in fact just bought a new 'tourer' running a compact 2x10, whilst i might end up fiddling with the ratios it won't be because its 10 speed.
Convention? what's that then?
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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby RickH » 23 Sep 2014, 12:18pm

beardy wrote:10 speed Tiagra offers a range suitable for tourers and at a good price, it also works well enough.

The reason why I would not have a ten speed is because the chains can not be broken and joined with a chain tool not using any special links.
I use powerlinks to join my chains but like the fact I can always sort them out with a chain tool if needed.

In 6½ of running a 10 speed the only times I've needed my chain tool has been to remove excess links when fitting a new chain. I keep the spare bit of chain, along with a couple of Wipperman Connex links (I like them because they are entirely tool free to join & split - an indefinite number of times too) in my toolkit in case I ever need to do anything out on the road.

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby TrevA » 23 Sep 2014, 12:27pm

I've just replaced the chain and cassette on my 10-speed Trek Domane. Tiagra 12-30 cassette was £12.99 and chain about the same price (SRAM1051). A couple of quid more than I paid for a 9 speed cassette and chain on my audax bike, but not a problem. The original chain and cassette had lasted for 6000 miles over 2 summers of riding, so it's a myth that 10 speed stuff wears out quicker.

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Bicycler » 23 Sep 2014, 12:42pm

A while back I had a bike which was 6 speed with an ultraglide cassette. Chains/sprockets honestly did last a lot longer than the modern 9 speed I had for comparison. That's even before you get into turning around worn out ones :)

I need to get myself one of those 6000 mile chains...

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby swscotland bentrider » 23 Sep 2014, 12:54pm

My Fuego recumbent tourer is 10 spd XT throughout. Used it this year in Europe with no problems. Its done 3k miles on the original chain and sprockets. My conventional tourer is 8 spd. Mainly low rent kit. Used it in Brittany and the Highlands over the last 12 months. No problems. Amazing how cheap kit works just as reliably and almost as well!

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby HowardW » 23 Sep 2014, 1:24pm

Where is the no I only want hub gears.....

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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Erudin » 23 Sep 2014, 3:39pm

HowardW wrote:Where is the no I only want hub gears.....


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Re: 10 speed on touring bikes

Postby Pandaz » 23 Sep 2014, 3:55pm

I voted YES

but saying that, I've been quite happily running a Sora 8 speed set up the last ten years!