English Language - what "Does your head in" ??

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Postby Mick F » 1 May 2018, 5:18pm

One line I heard on R4 yesterday, was that Sainsbury's have bought Asda. Not merged, but bought.
Not heard that since.
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Postby thirdcrank » 1 May 2018, 5:45pm

I believe Walmart is getting out of the UK, in much the same way as Tesco pulled out of the US and M&S scaled back everywhere.

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Postby brynpoeth » 1 May 2018, 6:38pm

Many *associates* will be *released*
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Postby brynpoeth » 1 May 2018, 8:42pm

I do love synonyms, there are so many different words with similar meanings

Dwell, reside, abide, stay, live, inhabit, occupy....

Sorry, I hope positive thread drift is allowed :wink:
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Postby Mick F » 1 May 2018, 9:26pm

thirdcrank wrote:I believe Walmart is getting out of the UK, in much the same way as Tesco pulled out of the US and M&S scaled back everywhere.
That explains a great deal.
Asda have been bought out because Walmart have pulled the plug.
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Postby Mick F » 2 May 2018, 10:08am

This makes me laugh :lol: :lol:
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Postby horizon » 2 May 2018, 12:53pm

If anybody knows what is going on here I would appreciate it. I've raised it before in this thread. This is a headliine from the Guardian but the BBC also now uses this form. Does anyone know why?

Austerity is causing huge damage: readers on the England local elections

Which form would you have used (either in the past or now)?
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Postby JamesE » 2 May 2018, 1:14pm

horizon wrote:If anybody knows what is going on here I would appreciate it. I've raised it before in this thread. This is a headliine from the Guardian but the BBC also now uses this form. Does anyone know why?

Austerity is causing huge damage: readers on the England local elections

Which form would you have used (either in the past or now)?

Obvious answer is simple SEO: you're more likely to be Googling something like "local elections England" than "English" and so the headline is targeted accordingly. Compare and contrast the search results:
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Postby Bmblbzzz » 2 May 2018, 1:58pm

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brynpoeth wrote:Many *associates* will be *released*

They were but haven't been for a few decades.
https://youtu.be/Ww2AYxrPqkk

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Postby thirdcrank » 2 May 2018, 3:00pm

Re England/English local elections.

Try comparing Leeds and Leodensian local elections. :wink:

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Postby thirdcrank » 13 May 2018, 1:22pm

How's this for a mangled metaphor

Her belief that Labour should "modernise" was passionately held - forged at the coal face of a decade of Labour local activism.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44098760

(Why not something about treading the grapes in the New Labour champagne vineyards?)

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Postby Mick F » 14 May 2018, 8:50am

Wonderful! :lol:

Just been looking for examples and found this:
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Postby Graham » 15 May 2018, 8:07am

:lol:

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Postby horizon » 6 Jun 2018, 9:06pm

On a more serious note (if it hasn't already been mentioned) is the loss of the passive voice in lots of common verbs and the reflexive pronoun after others. Despite appearances to the contrary I'm not a grammarian - I just try to find out what's going on.

We have "aired " for example. It was aired becomes it aired; it was launched becomes it launched. Fine, until you genuinely want to know who or what did the airing and launching.

Here's a problem with missing out the noun or pronoun (from the Guardian):

May has publicly committed to a time-limited backstop, but No 10 sources ruled out agreeing to a specific date in the text, suggesting that it would be unworkable.


But who or what has been committed? Herself? The cabinet? The government? IMV it's lazy journalism hiding under the banner of trendy language.

I would welcome comments on this.
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Postby Bmblbzzz » 6 Jun 2018, 9:17pm

I wouldn't describe it as trendy language; that suggests a conscious decision to do something in order to follow a fashion. What we're dealing with here is definitely a trend, which might turn out to be shortlived or might be part of a permanent shift in linguistic use, but people are, I think, using it because it comes naturally to them rather than in an effort to be fashionable. Like all developments it brings advantages and disadvantages but ultimately any linguistic trend which does not satisfy the need for communication will die out.