English Language - what "Does your head in" ??

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Jdsk wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 6:34pm
Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 6:30pmLike me, Mattheus may have missed the lesson about "schwa".
Most common vowel sound in English:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa

But I now understand that the criticism was of separated consonants.
No, it wasn't. Try reading my post.
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Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 5:51pm
mattheus wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 10:35am Bur-gul-ry vs bur-gla-ry.

I think!
Ta.
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Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 6:30pm
Jdsk wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 6:24pm
Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 5:51pm
Ta.
I've never heard anyone say bur-gla-ree with either a flat (cat) or broad (cart) a. RP is bur-gluh-ree, with the middle vowel sound being a schwa.

Jonathan
The exact sound probably depends on the speaker's accent, but I think Mattheus made the point quite adequately.
Thank you! I may lack detailed knowledge of phonetics, but I'm glad that my simple post was of use to someone! :-)
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mattheus wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 12:15pm
Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 5:51pm
mattheus wrote: 10 Nov 2021, 10:35am Bur-gul-ry vs bur-gla-ry.

I think!
Ta.
You are very welcome, Mike!
Help, please... the difference between those includes a difference in separation of consonants... in one there's a vowel sound between the g and the l, and in the other there isn't.

Thanks

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I think we have a consensus on how to say the common English word "burglary".

I - for one- am done with the topic
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"Specificity".
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Manc33 wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:22pm "Specificity".
What's the source of annoyance, please?

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Too vague...
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"It's specifically, with an s":



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Jdsk wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:26pm
Manc33 wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:22pm "Specificity".
What's the source of annoyance, please?

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It's hard to say. I think it's the only word I can think of, like it. Maybe others don't struggle with it but it's ludicrous to me.
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Manc33 wrote: 12 Nov 2021, 4:21am
Jdsk wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:26pm
Manc33 wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:22pm "Specificity".
What's the source of annoyance, please?
It's hard to say. I think it's the only word I can think of, like it. Maybe others don't struggle with it but it's ludicrous to me.
Thanks.

If I look at both for a few minutes it has the same effect.

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Manc33 wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 4:22pm "Specificity".
That word I can at least say but for some reason I have trouble with the word "celebrity". I want to say "cel-leb-ber-rat-y"
Or "cel-leb-er-rit-tary" and have to think carefully before I say the word. I'm not the only one either -- I hear tv presenters saying it all sorts of daft ways.
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Cowsham wrote: 12 Nov 2021, 10:55am That word I can at least say but for some reason I have trouble with the word "celebrity". I want to say "cel-leb-ber-rat-y"
Or "cel-leb-er-rit-tary" and have to think carefully before I say the word. I'm not the only one either -- I hear tv presenters saying it all sorts of daft ways.
Sounds like another example of a word being easier to pronounce if the consonants are separated... -leb- -er- -a- rather than -le- -bra-.

Jonathan

PS: Spot the schwa! : - )
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Somebody once told me that all consonants are separated by vowels in Japanese (and if you can find an exception eg Datsun, it's because some Japanese consonants need two when represented in Roman script.)
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Cowsham wrote: 12 Nov 2021, 10:55am ............... for some reason I have trouble with the word "celebrity". I want to say "cel-leb-ber-rat-y"
Or "cel-leb-er-rit-tary" and have to think carefully before I say the word. I'm not the only one either -- I hear tv presenters saying it all sorts of daft ways.
Simple really.
Sell-ebb ritty.
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