Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Electrically assisted bikes, trikes, etc.
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 27 Jul 2018, 9:53am

gnvqsos wrote:
Postby brynpoeth » 8 Jul 2018, 10:38am
I like paying taxes

Plenty of taxes should control behavior, so one may choose not to pay them
Alternative facts welcome
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Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott
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Taxes have nerer controlled behaviour,and people have no option but to oay the tax.


The use of tax to control behaviour works. The massive tax on cigarettes raising the price is an example that is attributed to reducing the level of smoking, particularly in lower income cases

... and yes there is a way of avoiding the tax - don't buy tobacco

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby gnvqsos » 28 Jul 2018, 6:04am

Unread postby landsurfer » 26 Jul 2018, 10:22pm
Surely there is a mistake.
The post title ?
Should it read ..
Road Tax for Motorbikes.

The fundementa lmistake lies with cyclists who think an electirc bike is different from a motorbike or scooter.They are powered vehiicles dependent upon fossil fuels for their source of power.I shall be urging my MP to raise the uissue in the Commons.At present they are an anomoly and need to be addressed urgently,as they are apotential menace.At present their cost is such that they lie beyond the teenage market,but as technology advances their costs will plummet and soon teenagers will afford them-at which point there will be opressure to eithr ban them or subject them to tax.I would supoert banning them form bridal paths and toe paths,and exclkude riders under 17 and over 70 unless the elderly can pass a simple proficiency test.

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby landsurfer » 28 Jul 2018, 8:51am

There has been some comparative stuff in the Telegraph, or was it the Grauniad, (I read both daily) about the total lack of health benefits derived from E-Bikes.
Instead of being an entry point to pedal cycling it is rapidly becoming it's own dead end.
Strangely ( :roll: ) obesity levels within a group of E- cyclists did not drop but amongst pedal cyclists it did ...
I am more concerned about the idiot that paid for the research !
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 28 Jul 2018, 10:54am

E-bikes are definitively cycles and not motorcycles, they also have a real and genuine place in the diversity of cycling

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 28 Jul 2018, 11:23am

gnvqsos wrote:
The fundemental mistake lies with cyclists who think an electirc bike is different from a motorbike or scooter.They are powered vehiicles dependent upon fossil fuels for their source of power.


Another bizarre assumption that is totally out of touch with the reality. E-bikes are assisted bicycles. If you don't like that change the law!

Or will you also be ranting about Electric cars because the fundemental mistake lies with motorists who think an electric car is different from an HGV or double decker bus.They are powered vehicles dependent upon fossil fuels for their source of power.

I shall be urging my MP to raise the uissue in the Commons.At present they are an anomoly and need to be addressed urgently,as they are apotential menace.At present their cost is such that they lie beyond the teenage market,but as technology advances their costs will plummet and soon teenagers will afford them-at which point there will be opressure to eithr ban them or subject them to tax.


I would be interested in any substantiated evidence to support your claims that they are a "potential menace". At the moment this is your own unsubstantiuated personal anti E-bike bias.

Also, once again, will you be including electric cars as well? all these rants in this paragraph apply equally to electric cars. You have repeatedly ignored the opportunity to answer why you have singled out E-bikes for taxation, yet have failed to give any coherent reason why this should be the case, or any criteria for your tax

I would supoert banning them form bridal paths and toe paths,and exclkude riders under 17 and over 70 unless the elderly can pass a simple proficiency test.


Again an ill informed rant with no connection to reality. Apart from your own biased and unsubstantiated claims , what is your evidence for this ban?

There is nothing to support it as there is no literature that shows e-bikes to be any more dangerous in these circumstances than ordinary bikes?

In the simplest form, if your claim had any reality base, we should have seen massive increases in accidents in these areas proportional to the rise in use of E-Bikes...... it hasn't happened.

Also when you grink your MP, will you be including all cyclists, all electric vehicles, and will you be demanding these tests fo ALL electric vehicle

After all no sane person would demand a proficiency test to allow the use of a bicycle when that same person has the ability to drive a petrol or electric car.... would they?


To help understand your irrational hatred of E-Bikes, could you provide a few bullet points to justify the demands for taxation and limitation of use?

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby reohn2 » 28 Jul 2018, 2:59pm

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Phil Fouracre » 28 Jul 2018, 4:18pm

I must admit though that I do find it funny that anyone can talk so much [.moderated.] :-)
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 28 Jul 2018, 8:13pm

Phil Fouracre wrote:Troll!!

I must admit though that I do find it funny that anyone can talk so much [.moderated.] :-)



Look a Surly Troll (E-Bike).... although I do believe that mythical Trolls can also be Surly

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 28 Jul 2018, 8:26pm

reohn2 wrote:Under the bridge,under the bridge,under the bridge lived a..........


Mythical creature that imposed taxes without any justification apart from their own misplaced and unsubstantiated claims

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby gnvqsos » 28 Jul 2018, 10:01pm

It is a bit sad to cry troll instead of making a decent argument.E-bikes are simply a dilute version of an electric motorbike-or a smaller version of an electric car,both being dependent on burning gas and lignite.They are assisted in theory but many are ridden by somewaht overweight riders,possibly unable to finance the expense of a decent motorbike/scooter.In the nearfuture theymay be banned unless their persistence is justified by tax revenues.
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 28 Jul 2018, 11:26pm

gnvqsos wrote:
It is a bit sad to cry troll instead of making a decent argument.E-bikes are simply a dilute version of an electric motorbike-or a smaller version of an electric car,both being dependent on burning gas and lignite.They are assisted in theory but many are ridden by somewaht overweight riders,possibly unable to finance the expense of a decent motorbike/scooter.In the nearfuture theymay be banned unless their persistence is justified by tax revenues.



You are absolutely correct.... and very ironic in this statement


There have been repeated coherent arguments, and questions asked. It is a bit sad that you repeatedly fail to engage and in doing so support your ranting with any form of decent argument.

Reiterating your biased and ill informed ranting and refusing discuss any of the points is not a reasonable or decent argument


Care to answer any of the points raised?

Lets start with why you feel that E-Bikes should be taxed because they are the equivalent of an electric car, yet you don't seem to think that a heavier car, with greater fuel consumption and more particulate pollution should be taxed?
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby rfryer » 29 Jul 2018, 6:53am

gnvqsos wrote:E-bikes are simply a dilute version of an electric motorbike-or a smaller version of an electric car,both being dependent on burning gas and lignite.

I don't understand this point. Many people fuel electric cars entirely from sustainable sources, either by using a sustainable energy supplier, or through their own solar or wind setups. It's even easier to achieve this with the low power demands of an e-bike.

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby Cunobelin » 29 Jul 2018, 9:07am

rfryer wrote:
gnvqsos wrote:E-bikes are simply a dilute version of an electric motorbike-or a smaller version of an electric car,both being dependent on burning gas and lignite.

I don't understand this point. Many people fuel electric cars entirely from sustainable sources, either by using a sustainable energy supplier, or through their own solar or wind setups. It's even easier to achieve this with the low power demands of an e-bike.


It is one of the best laughs I have had is that someone wants to tax e-bikes because they use a fossil fuel!!!!!!

Can you think of any other vehicles that would come into the category of using fossil fuels and also therefore be eligible for this new tax?

I must grink my MP.........

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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby landsurfer » 29 Jul 2018, 9:10am

rfryer wrote: Many people fuel electric cars entirely from sustainable sources, either by using a sustainable energy supplier, or through their own solar or wind setups. It's even easier to achieve this with the low power demands of an e-bike.


Nonsense, if i move from Eon to "a sustainable energy supplier" the power coming out of the plug on my wall does not suddenly change source.
It's from the grid!
Whoever i pay my bill too has no effect on the colour of the electricity coming into my house.

Next you will be telling me financially traded carbon offsets are reducing the effect of climate change :lol:
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Re: Road Tax for Electric Bikes ?

Postby rfryer » 29 Jul 2018, 3:53pm

landsurfer wrote:
rfryer wrote: Many people fuel electric cars entirely from sustainable sources, either by using a sustainable energy supplier, or through their own solar or wind setups. It's even easier to achieve this with the low power demands of an e-bike.


Nonsense, if i move from Eon to "a sustainable energy supplier" the power coming out of the plug on my wall does not suddenly change source
It's from the grid!
Whoever i pay my bill too has no effect on the colour of the electricity coming into my house.

I'm not sure what what you mean by the power coming out of the plug. The electrons that may migrate between your wiring and the flex have probably been there all along, and have never been near a power station, renewable or otherwise.

My belief is that by insisting that my power needs are satisfied by renewable sources, I'm part of the solution. If everybody did that, there'd be increased drive to generate more renewable energy, and the economics of burning fossil fuels would become less compelling.

I pay for enough renewable energy to be put into the grid to satisfy what I take out. That's good enough for me; you're welcome to your own view.