A question for Orbea Gain riders.

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Vetus Ossa
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A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 21 Feb 2019, 7:03am

Hello Orbea Gain owners, I know several hear own one.
I have a question for you please.
I currently own a Cube mountain ebike, and through necessity I use MTB mode on most of my rides.
I am able to cycle about 50 mils doing so.
I am considering buying an Orbea Gain hybrid (probably F40) as I like riding with straight bars now, and wondering if it will be able to take me as far as my Cube considering I need to use some assist all of the time.
I appreciate the Orbea motor is not as powerful as the Cube’s.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby peterb » 21 Feb 2019, 6:30pm

I'm getting about 8km for 10% of charge, so 80km maximum range in theory, or 1 mile for 2%, 50 miles maximum. I wouldn't want to empty the battery completely however. It obviously depends on the topography and the kind of riding you're doing. My usual rides are not very hilly, more undulating with one or two steeper stretches. The hillier and windier the more assistance and less range.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby NickWi » 22 Feb 2019, 10:19am

As a D20 rider my gut feeling is you not comparing like with like. The Gain is a true power assisted bike with a lightweight motor and a relatively small capacity battery. It's designed to be used with the majority of the effort coming from the rider with the power assist best kept for making it feel like your riding with the wind behind you on the flat, but more useful on the hills & into headwinds. You still have to use your gears and huff & puff up the hills.

Put it on full power and just turn the cranks slowly (which forces the motor to do the work) and the battery won't last 20miles let alone 50.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 22 Feb 2019, 12:56pm

Thanks for your replies.
I rather expected it would be as you say Nick, so probably not suitable for me unfortunately.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby MikeDee » 24 Feb 2019, 3:41pm

I've ridden my Gain a max of 38 miles, but have no doubt it would go at least 50 miles when ridden in eco mode. The Gain has a 250 watt motor, same as many mid drives. The bike is lighter and I think it's more efficient than many others, which means you get more out of that 250 watt battery. They are coming out with a bottle battery that will almost double the capacity. When you do run out of battery, you have a bike that can actually be pedaled like a normal road bike, unlike a 50 pound behemoth with a mid drive motor, bigger heavier battery, limited gearing, and high rolling resistance tires.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 24 Feb 2019, 5:58pm

MikeDee wrote:I've ridden my Gain a max of 38 miles, but have no doubt it would go at least 50 miles when ridden in eco mode. The Gain has a 250 watt motor, same as many mid drives. The bike is lighter and I think it's more efficient than many others, which means you get more out of that 250 watt battery. They are coming out with a bottle battery that will almost double the capacity. When you do run out of battery, you have a bike that can actually be pedaled like a normal road bike, unlike a 50 pound behemoth with a mid drive motor, bigger heavier battery, limited gearing, and high rolling resistance tires.


Thanks for your input Mike.
I really would like to buy one of these, I like the look of them and it ways about half the weight of my Cube response but I don’t think it’s for me.
The spare battery when it eventually becomes available will be very useful for Gain Owners I’m sure. The local dealer seemed to think it will be VERY expensive, I’m pretty sure he said it would cost £700/800.
My problem is I need assistance all of the time. Just about all of my rides involve riding up seriously steep hills, easypeasy on my Cube but I am not at all sure the Gain will have the same grunt to get up them without a lot of help from me which I won’t be able to give it.

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Re: A question for Orbea Gain riders.

Postby MikeDee » 24 Feb 2019, 6:50pm

Vetus Ossa wrote:
MikeDee wrote:I've ridden my Gain a max of 38 miles, but have no doubt it would go at least 50 miles when ridden in eco mode. The Gain has a 250 watt motor, same as many mid drives. The bike is lighter and I think it's more efficient than many others, which means you get more out of that 250 watt battery. They are coming out with a bottle battery that will almost double the capacity. When you do run out of battery, you have a bike that can actually be pedaled like a normal road bike, unlike a 50 pound behemoth with a mid drive motor, bigger heavier battery, limited gearing, and high rolling resistance tires.


Thanks for your input Mike.
I really would like to buy one of these, I like the look of them and it ways about half the weight of my Cube response but I don’t think it’s for me.
The spare battery when it eventually becomes available will be very useful for Gain Owners I’m sure. The local dealer seemed to think it will be VERY expensive, I’m pretty sure he said it would cost £700/800.
My problem is I need assistance all of the time. Just about all of my rides involve riding up seriously steep hills, easypeasy on my Cube but I am not at all sure the Gain will have the same grunt to get up them without a lot of help from me which I won’t be able to give it.


The Gain can output more than 200-250 watts in level 3 mode. I'm not sure why you think that would not be enough power for steep climbs. Doesn't your Cube have a 250 watt motor (same power as the Gain)? Of course if you use that a lot, you'll deplete the Gain battery. Other than that point, I'm unconvinced that the Gain is any worse on hills, especially if the bike is like 20+ pounds lighter. Maybe your Cube has more peak power, but it weighs a lot more.

Maybe you can rent one and test it out?