Electric power points for e-vehicles

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thirdcrank wrote:kwackers

I've no doubt that if at the time when society was beginning to switch from horses to horsepower, had there been a choice of steam, hydrocarbon or battery-power as we know it today, then the latter would be what's nowadays called a no-brainer. The reality is that there's well over a century of development and marketing which has influenced people's current decisions. Logic really doesn't come into it, or rather applying logic needs to look at the history to make sense. IMO a good example here is personal ownership of the private car. Every logical argument is against it, but that hasn't stopped an awful lot of people arguably wasting an awful lot of their money to have a car.

Logic is what will encourage people to make the change in the end though.

When I tell people I paid less than a tenner to do 2000 miles their jaws hit the floor.
When they point out EV's are expensive and you point out that the extra monthly cost of the EV is less than their monthly fuel bill then you can see the seeds have been planted.

Then there's the driving experience...

I think the tipping point has been reached.
As more and more people know folk with EV's and begin to see others not only getting on with them but saving a small fortune it becomes progressively harder to see why anyone would buy a new IC car.
Throw in the loss of economies of scale for IC cars and their fuel and there really is only one direction.
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kwackers wrote:I think the tipping point has been reached.

Probably, and i hope so... but inconsistent government policy could still be a problem.

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rfryer wrote:I've been driving an EV with a 300 mile range for the last month, and until this weekend I've just been charging it at home, overnight, around once per week.

This weekend has been a trip from north Cumbria to near the south coast, so my first time to use rapid charging. The sat-nav routed me via a charge point, told me how long to charge for, and the level of charge I'd arrive with. After 3 hours on the road I was ready for a break, and I was the only user at the bank of around 10 charging points.

In summary, using an EV has not delayed my long journey at all, and has saved me needing to stop in at petrol stations at all over the last three months. It's all good!

Thanks for sharing... Model 3?

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Jdsk wrote:
rfryer wrote:I've been driving an EV with a 300 mile range for the last month, and until this weekend I've just been charging it at home, overnight, around once per week.

This weekend has been a trip from north Cumbria to near the south coast, so my first time to use rapid charging. The sat-nav routed me via a charge point, told me how long to charge for, and the level of charge I'd arrive with. After 3 hours on the road I was ready for a break, and I was the only user at the bank of around 10 charging points.

In summary, using an EV has not delayed my long journey at all, and has saved me needing to stop in at petrol stations at all over the last three months. It's all good!

Thanks for sharing... Model 3?

Jonathan

Well guessed - Model 3 long range
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Thanks. I'm thinking of a Model Y next year.

Do you have a bike rack on it?

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Oldjohnw wrote:
rfryer wrote:
kwackers wrote:What's going to be interesting is how it pans out when typical EV's have ranges in the 300-400 miles.
What will that mean for rapid chargers? Folk coming out of their houses to a fully charged car - why would they bother with a rapid charge?
Perhaps the future isn't a huge number of chargers after all.

I think that rapid chargers will remain important, but not something that most drivers use everyday.

I've been driving an EV with a 300 mile range for the last month, and until this weekend I've just been charging it at home, overnight, around once per week.

This weekend has been a trip from north Cumbria to near the south coast, so my first time to use rapid charging. The sat-nav routed me via a charge point, told me how long to charge for, and the level of charge I'd arrive with. After 3 hours on the road I was ready for a break, and I was the only user at the bank of around 10 charging points.

In summary, using an EV has not delayed my long journey at all, and has saved me needing to stop in at petrol stations at all over the last three months. It's all good!


Might I ask how long your service station stop was? The (almost) only long journey I do is the awful trip from north Northumberland to Royal Leamington Spa to visit my daughter, well over 300 miles.

I think it was suggesting around 30 minutes, to add enough charge to get there with 15% charge remaining. We stayed longer, to give us time for a toilet stop and a coffee, and allowing us to arrive with more charge in hand.

The drive was all at normal motorway speeds, 70mph where possible.
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Jdsk wrote:Thanks. I'm thinking of a Model Y next year.

Do you have a bike rack on it?

Jonathan

I bought a Rockbros suction cup roof rack. Sticks well on the glass roof, and very quick to mount and remove. And cheap, about £100 for a two bike rack.

But for this journey, I managed to fit two bikes in the boot, without dropping the seats. Wheels and pedals off, seat posts out and bars unclamped from the stem.
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Thanks, I'll have a look.

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kwackers wrote:What's "CC"?

Don't know how you manage to never have the car mist up inside - you've never got in with wet gear on?
Opened the door first thing in the morning and let all the dank air in?


Climate Control.
Air conditioning suggests cold air, but CC is temperature controlled from hot to cold. Aircon will do that of course, but people only seem to think of aircon when the weather is hot. Our's is on PERMANENTLY 12months of the year. Same as the last two cars we've had.

Never mists up.
Even if you are wet when you get in the car, it still doesn't mist up.
Open the door, and get in. No dank air gets in enough to mist up the windows ............. ever.
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Mick F wrote:Climate Control.
Air conditioning suggests cold air, but CC is temperature controlled from hot to cold. Aircon will do that of course, but people only seem to think of aircon when the weather is hot. Our's is on PERMANENTLY 12months of the year. Same as the last two cars we've had.

Never mists up.
Even if you are wet when you get in the car, it still doesn't mist up.
Open the door, and get in. No dank air gets in enough to mist up the windows ............. ever.

I find that odd.

I can get in a car and it steams up pretty much instantly - are you cold blooded? :lol:

Climate control / air conditioning whatever you want to call your air-drying system if you haven't started the engine yet it doesn't work.
Once you have started it then obviously using it means it doesn't take that long to clear but IME if the weathers pants in the winter then it's only seconds before stuff mists up.
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If you're having issues with misting up I would suggest that the inboard filtration system may require a new filter.. that is the simple solution.. a friend has one of those Skoda SUV 4 wheel drive small and jeepy like ....nice manual 1.9 diesel to drive, he prefers it around the doors to wifeys X3 BMW or his 10year old Bentley GT. and he has a 600 yd drive uphill in poor weather conditions.. So sometimes without warning while driving it steams the whole vehicle up.. no loss of coolant, thats been checked, and asked me about what I thought.. I says you hope its not the heater condensor radiator small thing like a oil cooler inside the heater box and inside the lower dashboard area its a dash out job says I...later confirmed by the local VAG specialist.. who advised him just to keep an eye on it and the coolant levels..modern vehicles are complicated are they not...will
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willcee wrote:If you're having issues with misting up I would suggest that the inboard filtration system may require a new filter.. that is the simple solution.. a friend has one of those Skoda SUV 4 wheel drive small and jeepy like ....nice manual 1.9 diesel to drive, he prefers it around the doors to wifeys X3 BMW or his 10year old Bentley GT. and he has a 600 yd drive uphill in poor weather conditions.. So sometimes without warning while driving it steams the whole vehicle up.. no loss of coolant, thats been checked, and asked me about what I thought.. I says you hope its not the heater condensor radiator small thing like a oil cooler inside the heater box and inside the lower dashboard area its a dash out job says I...later confirmed by the local VAG specialist.. who advised him just to keep an eye on it and the coolant levels..modern vehicles are complicated are they not...will

I don't have issues with misting up - not if the cars running.

I'm talking about when you first get into the car.
Cars take longer to get warm than the surrounding air, so if the air is moist then first thing in the morning when the car is still cold and the windscreen temp is low then you get condensation.
Simple physics.

Obviously you can dry the air using the A/C and it's pretty quick but condensation can happen almost immediately you open the door.

The fact that Mick uses the A/C to keep his windows clear suggests he's as much at risk from it as anyone else - otherwise he wouldn't need the A/C because it doesn't steam up...
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Won't argue... however IME and in my lifetime I have entered and exited soft tops and hardtops vans estates in all weathers at all times of day and nite possibly 50 times more that the average driver has in any driving lifetime courtesy of A] my career, occupations B ]my love of vehicles.. and only one or two had that issue from a very hazy memory..and if memory serves they had issues and it wasn't weather.. water ingress usually.. i have even seen clear ice inside without the condensation..will
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willcee wrote:Won't argue... however IME and in my lifetime I have entered and exited soft tops and hardtops vans estates in all weathers at all times of day and nite possibly 50 times more that the average driver has in any driving lifetime courtesy of A] my career, occupations B ]my love of vehicles.. and only one or two had that issue from a very hazy memory..and if memory serves they had issues and it wasn't weather.. water ingress usually.. i have even seen clear ice inside without the condensation..will

You keep using the word "issues" - it's not an issue, it's simple physics.

Cold surfaces, moisture laden air equals condensation.
If it's not been cold and the air isn't moist there's no condensation.
If you keep your car in a garage it's very unlikely the glass would ever be cold enough for condensation but if conditions are right it'll happen, it's not a fault of the car no more than your bathroom window steaming up when you have a shower means your bathroom is fubar'd.

In the old days you'd put the blower on and wait for the car to start to warm up, these days you can stick the A/C on and it clears pdq.
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Which have just published this year's car reliability survey from 47000 owners of 55000 cars.

Electric cars are the least reliable of all the fuel types, and the Tesla the least reliable of the electrics. The only reliable one was the MkI Nissan Leaf. Petrol hybrids are the most reliable, but mainly because such a high proportion of them are made by the most reliable brand: Lexus/Toyota. Plug-in hybrids aren't much better than electrics.
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