Electric power points for e-vehicles

Electrically assisted bikes, trikes, etc.
Jdsk
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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby Jdsk » 2 Dec 2020, 2:32pm

New initiative from the Competition and Markets Authority:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector
includes:

The CMA’s work will centre on 2 broad themes:
how to develop a competitive sector while also attracting private investment to help the sector grow
how to ensure people using electric vehicle chargepoints have confidence that they can get the best out of the service


That's probably a good idea. But it still needs consistent messages on taxes and subsidies.

Jonathan

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby kwackers » 2 Dec 2020, 2:47pm

Jdsk wrote:New initiative from the Competition and Markets Authority:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector
includes:

The CMA’s work will centre on 2 broad themes:
how to develop a competitive sector while also attracting private investment to help the sector grow
how to ensure people using electric vehicle chargepoints have confidence that they can get the best out of the service


That's probably a good idea. But it still needs consistent messages on taxes and subsidies.

Jonathan

And fines for vehicles "icing" the sockets. (Or EV's not charging)

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby Jdsk » 7 Dec 2020, 12:18am

Gridserve:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/uk-first-all-electric-car-charging-forecourt-opens-in-essex

"The forecourts will offer super-fast wifi, and stand alongside a range of “Best of British” shops including WH Smith and Boots as well as Costa Coffee and the Post Office. Some will offer business meeting pods, a children’s play centre and a “wellbeing area” with exercise bikes that generate electricity."

Jonathan

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby axel_knutt » 7 Dec 2020, 1:13pm

“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby mumbojumbo » 8 Dec 2020, 6:44am

Brexit funding will dry up soon.

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby thirdcrank » 8 Dec 2020, 7:15am

I've read something in the last couple of days - probably Sunday Telegraph business section - about a proposed chain of electric "filling" stations which would have dynamo-equipped exercise bikes so that customers could contribute to the juice. I didn't look closely but it didn't seem to be a spoof. I imagine the exercise benefits to the pedaller would be greater than the discount of their bill.

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby kwackers » 8 Dec 2020, 8:26am

thirdcrank wrote:I've read something in the last couple of days - probably Sunday Telegraph business section - about a proposed chain of electric "filling" stations which would have dynamo-equipped exercise bikes so that customers could contribute to the juice. I didn't look closely but it didn't seem to be a spoof. I imagine the exercise benefits to the pedaller would be greater than the discount of their bill.

Just a bit...

Typical efficiency of EV's is 4 miles per kwh.
An hours cycling by a moderately fit cyclist is probable around 200w (I'd guess half that by an average person who can actually manage to peddle one for an hour).
It'll get you on and off the forecourt providing you're fairly light with the accelerator.

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby Jdsk » 8 Dec 2020, 8:32am

thirdcrank wrote:I've read something in the last couple of days - probably Sunday Telegraph business section - about a proposed chain of electric "filling" stations which would have dynamo-equipped exercise bikes so that customers could contribute to the juice. I didn't look closely but it didn't seem to be a spoof.

Possibly the Gridserve system as linked in a couple of posts just above?

: - )

Jonathan

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby Jdsk » 8 Dec 2020, 8:35am

kwackers wrote:It'll get you on and off the forecourt providing you're fairly light with the accelerator.

: - )

How about the contribution of solar panels in the forecourt canopy to the energy delivered to the EVs below?

But that fraction doesn't really bother me... we're still at a stage where illustrating what's possible matters.

Jonathan

PS: It's interesting to see Booths joining in so far south...

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby sjs » 8 Dec 2020, 8:37am

kwackers wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:I've read something in the last couple of days - probably Sunday Telegraph business section - about a proposed chain of electric "filling" stations which would have dynamo-equipped exercise bikes so that customers could contribute to the juice. I didn't look closely but it didn't seem to be a spoof. I imagine the exercise benefits to the pedaller would be greater than the discount of their bill.

Just a bit...

Typical efficiency of EV's is 4 miles per kwh.
An hours cycling by a moderately fit cyclist is probable around 200w (I'd guess half that by an average person who can actually manage to peddle one for an hour).
It'll get you on and off the forecourt providing you're fairly light with the accelerator.


Yes, perhaps charging at a rate of 1 mile range per hour of fairly high-level exercise. Still, not bad compared with actual cycling, given the mass ratio car:person+bike.

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby kwackers » 8 Dec 2020, 8:40am

Jdsk wrote:
kwackers wrote:It'll get you on and off the forecourt providing you're fairly light with the accelerator.

: - )

How about the contribution of solar panels in the forecourt canopy to the energy delivered to the EVs below?

But that fraction doesn't really bother me... we're still at a stage where illustrating what's possible matters.

Jonathan

PS: It's interesting to see Booths joining in so far south...

Those solar panels do contribute, not sure you watched the whole of the video (assuming it's the same as the one I posted on another thread) but there's also a field full of panels that provide energy for the forecourt.

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Re: Electric power points for e-vehicles

Postby Jdsk » 8 Dec 2020, 8:43am

Yes, I was requesting the analogous calculation!

: - )

Jonathan