Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

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3rd Party ebike batteries

Postby saudidave » 14 Nov 2020, 6:07pm

Since Bosch Powerpack batteries cost an arm and a leg, does anyone know if generic / 3rd party replacements are available? I see Greencell and Hailong batteries on Amazon & ebay but I don't know if they are compatible.

As a keen photographer I know there are any number of replacement camera batteries available on ebay at a fraction of OEM prices. Does the same apply to ebikes.

I've posted this in the ebike forum too

Thanks, Dave

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Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby saudidave » 14 Nov 2020, 6:08pm

Since Bosch Powerpack batteries cost an arm and a leg, does anyone know if generic / 3rd party replacements are available? I see Greencell and Hailong batteries on Amazon & ebay but I don't know if they are compatible.

As a keen photographer I know there are any number of replacement camera batteries available on ebay at a fraction of OEM prices. Does the same apply to ebikes?

I've posted this in thetechnical forum too

Thanks, Dave

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 14 Nov 2020, 7:03pm

Hi,
Is this Li-ion batteries or the older technology?

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Way off, I didn't realise it was pedelecs :oops: :P
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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby stodd » 14 Nov 2020, 7:28pm

No third party replacements, they use proprietary interface to the battery, and (as far as I know) nobody has broken the code.
You may be able to get it recelled as long as it is still working.
https://bga-reworking.co.uk/

I've never used them, but consistently well thought of on pedelecs forum.
eg https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/thread ... ies.27494/ but many others too.

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Re: 3rd Party ebike batteries

Postby Brucey » 14 Nov 2020, 8:51pm

the usual route is to get the original battery pack rebuilt. That way you are not buying all the proprietary parts (casing, electronics etc) a second time when the cells clap out.

Most e-bike battery packs contain lots of electronics and this adds appreciably to the cost and complexity of manufacture.

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Re: 3rd Party ebike batteries

Postby scottg » 14 Nov 2020, 9:13pm

I've used specialist battery rebuilders, for odd ball packs.
Getting glued and spot welded packs apart takes interesting tooling.
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Re: 3rd Party ebike batteries

Postby Brucey » 14 Nov 2020, 9:21pm

one of my chums has just bought a spot welder specifically so that he can rebuild battery packs to a good standard.

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby saudidave » 14 Nov 2020, 10:54pm

Hi

Thank you for responding but you have assumed that my battery is knackered. It isn't, in fact after a full charge today, my battery which has assisted me for 2000miles, is 2 yrs old s and has had approx 33nr full recharges. It is currently showing a range of 97 miles in eco mode, which is farcical, but if I undertake the 40 mile route I have in mind, I'd probably just about do it with very little power left due to the terrain.

I'm not looking to replace my existing battery, I want to augment it! In any event as I understand it the Bosch Powerpacks can't be rebuilt

Dave
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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby Graham » 15 Nov 2020, 9:48am

Hello,

Sorry to disturb. . . . .

If your topic title is misleading, please use the EDIT button to . . . . edit it . Thanks.

I have merged your two topics together and kindly request that you don't post duplicates . . because it tends to confuse matters.
Hopefully, that has carried over a more accurate Title ?

I hope that you get the info that you need. . . . . looking like the expensive, locked-in-to-brand at the moment. :(

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby stodd » 15 Nov 2020, 11:39am

Most Bosch batteries can be recelled. It requires knowledge and skill (I don't have either); and it is particularly important not to lose power to the BMS during the recell process. But of course that won't help people who want two batteries and to pay a reasonable price for the second. Less proprietary systems is the only answer to that.

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby saudidave » 15 Nov 2020, 3:22pm

It's looking like I'll have to shell out for a new battery then, or buy a second hand one from a reliable source. Since the bike is relatively new, in mint condition, a top end spec and is now tweaked and adjusted to my liking I shall probably go down the new route, I can pick up a 500W one for around £490 and when combined with my current 400 Watt one it will give me a range, in hilly country, of around 90-100miles. Way more than enough.

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby hemo » 17 Nov 2020, 10:47pm

Re- celling of bosch or any other CANbus type is only poss if the BMS is functional and the battery charges, the BMS during re- celling is kept live to prevent it bricking rendering the battery useless. Bosch and the others etc are expensive to replace or to buy another.

I personally stick to diy builds which can use any generic type battery but for the last 4 years simply spot weld my own batteries up using the better choice of loose cells available from LGm HG2, MJ1 or M36. The newer Samsung 50e a 21700 cell is pretty damn good.

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby fenmanctc » 21 Dec 2020, 9:24am

My experience of Bosch batteries, either in drills, hedge trimmers or ebikes is that ownership is a lottery. All the batteries fitted to the aforementioned have suffered premature failure. Chinese knock-offs to replace power tool packs have lasted twice as long. My ebike battery bricked after 3,800 miles and under 3 years. As replacement cost £550, it would have been cheaper to have covered the same distance in the car!
Has anyone out there had experience of other system’s longevity? My problem seems to have been the BMS, but it’s still toast. If anyone needs my old unit free for spares ( I think cells are ok) I only need the cost of postage.
John

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby hemo » 23 Dec 2020, 5:22pm

fenmanctc wrote:
Has anyone out there had experience of other system’s longevity? My problem seems to have been the BMS, but it’s still toast. If anyone needs my old unit free for spares ( I think cells are ok) I only need the cost of postage.
John


Posting a battery as an end user is a can of worms even Bosch won't accept them back unless by an authorised process.
Pick up locally is best, where are you located ?
The cells used inside will be no different to others available but will be a genuine top six branded cell.

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Re: Replacement for Bosch Powerpack battery

Postby fenmanctc » 24 Dec 2020, 6:35pm

Located in Boston, Lincolnshire.