A cyclist and real justice


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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby DaveGos » 11 Sep 2019, 4:29pm

Personally I am not so interested in prison sentences , though he deserves it , they are expensive and do little good . Its the ban that gets me. It should be a life ban in these situations not 18 months , driving is not a human right . If you cannot control yourself it should be a life ban , after all there is still public transport , uber , bikes and electric bikes.

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby reohn2 » 11 Sep 2019, 4:31pm

Good,though IMO a very stiff fine in the £1,000's would better have served this creep and his car taken from him.

EDIT:- Davegos is correct about the driving ban though not a lifetime ban but at least three years and resit the driving test before being given the privelidge to drive again on our roads.
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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby The utility cyclist » 11 Sep 2019, 5:02pm

6 months for a brutal assault with a deadly weapon, hardly 'real' justice! :roll:
This just goes to show you how bad things have got when people are celebrating a low sentence term as 'justice'
You might as well ban them for life from driving, that would be a better sentence, instead he got less than for drink driving, pitiful sentence! :twisted:

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Sep 2019, 5:22pm

I suspect that some here have no concept of what a prison term is like.
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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby kwackers » 11 Sep 2019, 6:16pm

Oldjohnw wrote:I suspect that some here have no concept of what a prison term is like.

I know what "tossing the salad" is - does that count?

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby The utility cyclist » 11 Sep 2019, 6:26pm

Oldjohnw wrote:I suspect that some here have no concept of what a prison term is like.

Have you been in a low level prison recently? My brother spent some time at her majesty's pleasure including some time in a sizeable adult prison with all sorts in it after he was transferred from a youth offenders, he said it was nothing, this was 30 years ago not the soft buttocked prisons we have now!
But that's not the point.

This scumbag got the lowest possible sentence for such a serious crime, ABH has a max sentence of 5 years but actually it should have been a S20 'wounding with intent' (even if serious injury did not occur) and clearly aggravated, the judge is a weak kneed bag of @@@@ and the CPS are their usual load of poop!

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Mike Sales » 11 Sep 2019, 6:38pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I suspect that some here have no concept of what a prison term is like.

Have you been in a low level prison recently? My brother spent some time at her majesty's pleasure including some time in an adult prison after he was transferred from a youth offenders, he said it was nothing, this was 30 years ago not the soft buttocked prisons we have now!
But that's not the point.
This scumbag got the lowest possible sentence for such a serious crime, ABH has a max sentence of 5 years but actually it should have been a S20 'wounding with intent' (even if serious injury did not occur) and clearly aggravated, the judge is a weak kneed bag of @@@@ and the CPS are their usual load of poop!


Prisons vary I gather, which did your brother sample? Does he have anything to say about the young offenders' prison? I have heard some are rather grisly.
I think few people leave prison better than they entered. Like much government provision I hear that many are too underfunded to provide any activities which might improve felons.
For me, any prison would be a very serious and daunting experience. This man does not sound like an habitual, hardened criminal. My friends and family would be very shocked if I went to prison.

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby The utility cyclist » 11 Sep 2019, 6:44pm

Hull prison, medium security usually for offenders more than 4 year sentences. It's irrelevant though, the sentence was incredibly lenient given the crime, the 15 month driving ban is also a joke :twisted:

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Cugel » 11 Sep 2019, 7:30pm

The utility cyclist wrote:Hull prison, medium security usually for offenders more than 4 year sentences. It's irrelevant though, the sentence was incredibly lenient given the crime, the 15 month driving ban is also a joke :twisted:


Not irrelevant in this sense: revenge is a poor substitute for justice. Putting a loon in a school for loons is not such a good way to achieve reform, either. Even in that fulminating gimmer, recidivism is possible. And, as another has mentioned, there's the cost.

Personally I feel those who are irresponsible need to be taught responsibility. This doesn't happen in the clink but rather in social scenarios where the irresponsible one is forced and encouraged to be responsible, so ....

Five years compulsory working in those institutions wherein those at the end of life, unable to cope mentally & physically (perhaps because run over by a car loon). Daily travel thereto via any mode of transport other than a car. If the offending loon was also well off financially, make him not-so and donate the money to those same institutions.

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Perhaps you might consider calming down now and then, which may enable a less emotive mode of consideration concerning means & ways to deal with road rage. Having lock-'em-up rage is not a good state of mind in which to consider these issues perhaps?

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Sep 2019, 7:34pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I suspect that some here have no concept of what a prison term is like.

Have you been in a low level prison recently? My brother spent some time at her majesty's pleasure including some time in a sizeable adult prison with all sorts in it after he was transferred from a youth offenders, he said it was nothing, this was 30 years ago not the soft buttocked prisons we have now!
But that's not the point.

This scumbag got the lowest possible sentence for such a serious crime, ABH has a max sentence of 5 years but actually it should have been a S20 'wounding with intent' (even if serious injury did not occur) and clearly aggravated, the judge is a weak kneed bag of @@@@ and the CPS are their usual load of poop!



I spent over 20 years until 5 years ago visiting prisons around the UK weekly. I still visit occasionally when called on for some research. I am the only person to have voluntarily spent s night in one incognito to assess them. Almost without exception prisons are intimidating hellholes. Prisons are not soft. They are miserable. And they are failures in that they don't rehabilitate.
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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Spinners » 11 Sep 2019, 7:48pm

Given the driver's age (69) I'd have banned him for life and crushed his 4x4.

I don't actually care what the law says - I equate with assault with a deadly weapon.
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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 11 Sep 2019, 10:30pm

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby Mike Sales » 11 Sep 2019, 10:59pm

Would a gun owner who lost their temper and injured someone with their gun ever get a gun licence again?

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Re: A cyclist and real justice

Postby charliepolecat » 11 Sep 2019, 11:00pm

the judge is a weak kneed bag of @@@@ and the CPS are their usual load of poop!


From my observations and read opinions, that seems to be the general view throughout Britain.