Cycle space on trains

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby Mick F » 7 Nov 2019, 12:18pm

horizon wrote:
Mick F wrote:On the Tamar Valley Line ....... runs between Gunnislake and Plymouth ......... we are supposed to book our bikes in accordance with Great Western's Ts and Cs.



You cannot book either seats or bikes on this line (reservations are required though on the mainline IETs). Even if you have a reservation for say Paddington, you might not get your bike on at Gunnislake.
I agree.
I agree you can't book a bike space or a seat, but the Ts+Cs don't specify which trains are exempt.
Also I agree, you may not be able to get a bike on at Gunny, even though you have a booking to Paddington.
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby recumbentpanda » 7 Nov 2019, 7:15pm

On a recent tour, I was pushing the bike up a miserable steep hill in the p*ssing rain when I saw a webbing strap with a loop on the end lying by the side of the road. While one half of my brain asked in disbelief ‘what are you doing that for?’ The other half made me pick it up and tuck it into the rack. Some hours later, boarding a Cross Country train into whose vertical ‘wheel hook’ bike storage my slightly longer than the average bike recumbent would not quite fit, I realised what the strap was for. A quick slip knot, and the bike was secured to the hook the front wheel could not otherwise reach!

On the GWR Hitachi’s, perversely, I found the front wheel reached the hook fine, and the cieling was just high enough to accommodate my chainring. Getting the bike in and out however, especially if there was another bike in the next door rack, required an almost supernatural understanding of three dimensional space.

Incidentally, I fit a ‘nosebag’ Over the pedals and chainring when taking the bent on trains which appears to make it magically invisible to most train staff. :lol:

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby Cowsham » 7 Nov 2019, 7:41pm

I thought the government wanted to promote green travel and more exercise -- how can we commute to work by bike when we can't get on a train in the morning -- I don't need the train as my work place is 15 miles from home so I can use the bicycle but it's not fair for the ones that have longer commutes.

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby horizon » 7 Nov 2019, 10:28pm

Cowsham wrote:I thought the government wanted to promote green travel and more exercise --


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby brynpoeth » 8 Nov 2019, 9:29am

The Grauniad has an article about this, hooks to hang cycles are provided, females and those with heavier or bulky cycles are disadvantaged, plenty of fit males could not lift a cycle onto a hook, could be quite difficult once the train is moving
I think the cycle space should be distributed, space in each carriage, not just in the first or last coach
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby merseymouth » 8 Nov 2019, 10:39am

Hi all, Smug old fool I am, but I am quite able to cajole my way on to the vast majority of trains, Scotrail excepted, by the simple expedient of flashing my "Disabled Person's Pass", that way my tricycle becomes a "Wheelchair"! Woks for me. :wink: TTFN MM

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby Vorpal » 8 Nov 2019, 10:51am

merseymouth wrote:Hi all, Smug old fool I am, but I am quite able to cajole my way on to the vast majority of trains, Scotrail excepted, by the simple expedient of flashing my "Disabled Person's Pass", that way my tricycle becomes a "Wheelchair"! Woks for me. :wink: TTFN MM

I know a disabled cyclist who has had trouble with that. Even with a note from a doctor (which says her trike is a mobility aid) & disabled person's railcard, she has been told that she cannot bring her trike on trains to & from London a few times.
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby StephenW » 8 Nov 2019, 11:37am

Hi Recumbent Panda

I have hung my recumbent by the rear wheel on Crosscountry Voyagers. It just fits. Perhaps if you use the rear wheel then you don't need the strap?

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby LinusR » 8 Nov 2019, 1:11pm

Cowsham wrote:I thought the government wanted to promote green travel and more exercise


There are. It's just that they are not bothering to legislate to regulate the rail industry to enable it. They are just promoting it as a good idea.

The odd train company has got better (although I can only think of one at the moment). The new Thameslink trains running out of London are a vast improvement for cyclists and travellers with mobility aids. GWR (as has been mentioned above) is absolutely hopeless. A huge step backward with their new rolling stock compared to the old 125 trains which had a dedicated compartment for cycles.

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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby Vorpal » 8 Nov 2019, 1:17pm

LinusR wrote:
Cowsham wrote:I thought the government wanted to promote green travel and more exercise


There are. It's just that they are not bothering to legislate to regulate the rail industry to enable it. They are just promoting it as a good idea.

They've been trying to get people to cycle more that way for decades. [sarcasm]It has been so effective, they're transferring it to other modes of transport [/sarcasm]
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby axel_knutt » 8 Nov 2019, 2:16pm

The new Stadler and Bombardier trains that are currently being rolled out across East Anglia look quite nice. There are up to six spaces on some trains, with the bikes floor-standing. They haven't arrived on the Braintree line yet, but I had a look round a virtual train online, and it seems OK.

I was using the Hitachi trains around Oxford as a foot passenger this summer, and all the bikes I saw were left on the floor, one of which had deep section rims that wouldn't fit the hooks. I saw a girl leave her bike on the floor, she said she always leaves it like that and hasn't had any problems, but that doesn't really offer much security against a jobsworth guard getting uppity just when it's most inconvenient.
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby mjr » 8 Nov 2019, 3:40pm

LinusR wrote:
Cowsham wrote:I thought the government wanted to promote green travel and more exercise


There are. It's just that they are not bothering to legislate to regulate the rail industry to enable it. They are just promoting it as a good idea.

The odd train company has got better (although I can only think of one at the moment). The new Thameslink trains running out of London are a vast improvement for cyclists and travellers with mobility aids. GWR (as has been mentioned above) is absolutely hopeless. A huge step backward with their new rolling stock compared to the old 125 trains which had a dedicated compartment for cycles.

Which is ironic because the new GWR rolling stock is some of the most regulated on the network, having been specified and backed by the DfT with some aspects allegedly against GWR's wishes (such as inability to use the kitchens to supply the catering trolley or first class at-seat service, inability to carry surfboards and other oft-requested holiday large luggage and so on).
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby horizon » 8 Nov 2019, 4:17pm

mjr wrote: ... because the new GWR rolling stock is some of the most regulated on the network, having been specified and backed by the DfT with some aspects allegedly against GWR's wishes (such as inability to use the kitchens to supply the catering trolley or first class at-seat service, inability to carry surfboards and other oft-requested holiday large luggage and so on).


This is what I have heard too from train staff: I rant about GWR but they just shrug their shoulders and say, it's not us, guv, it's the gov. Our focus needs to be on the DfT.
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby merseymouth » 9 Nov 2019, 8:22am

Hi all, Only once have I had a problem getting my trike on a train, Liverpool bound from Oxford. One stroppy guard. I spoke to the station master, helpful got on the next train.
Scotrail is a total No-Go, I must remember to write to "Wee Nicola"?
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Re: Cycle space on trains

Postby chriskurton » 9 Nov 2019, 8:34am

The West Somerset preserved railway (Bishops Lydeard - Minehead) has a fantastic guards van, just like those of old. £2 per journey for a bike. Passengers fares a little steep, but fantastic for a one way ride back from the sea-side over not so flat roads! Or cycle to Minehead and train back!