East Ridng rural village under threat

Pete Owens
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Re: Petition Review plans for a Category C prison at Full Sutton

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Steady rider wrote:On the surface it may seem a good thing but considering perhaps 2-3% may commute by bicycle and perhaps 95% use a car in the particular situation, and nearly all visitors will also use cars.

Ah yes, the boiler plate anti-cyclist argument - hardly anyone cycles so no need to pay any attention to our needs.
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

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A Cycling UK and national planning policy to protect and encourage cycling could be revised to require large scale developments to be suitable for access from either an existing off road cycle route or a route to be provided.

The current national policies are too weak and can be ineffective. The submission on behalf of Sustrans for the prison stated,
This proposed development is unacceptable because:

There are no proposals for creating new cycle/pedestrian routes between the site and Stamford Bridge, and other nearby villages;

No thought has been given to the impact of all the extra traffic on the safety of existing cyclists using National Route 66 | Way of the Roses and other rural roads in the area;

None of the roads giving access to the site, from whatever direction, have any existing safety provision for pedestrians or cyclists, and there is no proposal to provide any.

The TA fails to fully consider the negative consequences.
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

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Whereas your argument seems to be the opposite - to oppose the development because you can reach it via a cycle route.
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

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The argument against it is based on the location and size of prison, it is unsuitable and it would cause harm. it is not being opposed because you can reach it via a cycle route, but understanding it will also harm the cycle route with extra traffic.
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

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Objection details to Prison plans https://newplanningaccess.eastriding.go ... JJ1BJKSV00 is one of the planning applications relating to the prison.

ERYC are now considering details of the prison plans submitted at 'Reserve Matter', these cover a range of issues, foul water (sewage), surface water run-off, the visual impact and other issues and 'condition'.

Foul water
Yorkshire Water advises the ERYC that they are in active dialogue with the Ministry of Justice with the intention of funding a feasibility study which is required to ensure that foul water can properly be discharged without detriment to the existing sewerage in the locality. The timescales and parameters for the study should shortly be agreed but until the study is completed, the solution for foul water drainage arising from the development cannot be determined. Full discharge of Condition 8 should therefore wait until the solution is agreed.

At times of heavy rainfall, Stamford Bridge can already suffer from occasional sewage leakage/overflow as parts of the old system cater for both sewage and surface water, and river levels can be higher than the sewer mains. Yorkshire Water has been unable to prevent this, therefore increasing flow rate via Stamford Bridge should be avoided. Exact details of the sewage proposal have not so far been released.

Surface water
The Foss drainage board comments about the amount of surface water that could be discharged into Millsike Beck and cause major flooding to a monumental area of great historical interest, is of concern. At times of heavy rainfall the area would be made worse by the extra surface water discharge from the prison site, affecting landowners and their businesses/land value. Foss drainage board comments, 'Conclusion - In view of the above, the Board does not believe that conditions 8 and 9 can be discharged'. The new ditch provided by the MoJ actually reduces the area for soakaway, the preferred option to reduce flood risk, so in addition to the building/hard standing areas, the ditch will increase flood risk in the Millsike Beck and nearby areas.

Visual impact Planning reference 18/04105/STOUT
The visual impact of the prison is a major concern with the main house block moving closer, about 30m closer to Moor Lane than shown in the outline planning details and the overall height of the profiles of 6 house blocks with additions on the roof, increasing it to about 16+m, each houseblock is about 70m wide. The views and locations shown in the 2021 documents may not convey the actual major impact that the building will have on the landscape over the next 5 to 20 years. The main house blocks at 14m high, plus roof top additions, will be seen from the A166, from Moor Lane, from Burtonfield's farm area public footpaths, from the Wolds and from Stamford Bridge. The proposed woodland uses 20% oak that may take about 20 to 30 years to grow up to 8m. Other woodland trees, include Alder, Birch, Aspen, Maple that grow to 3-3.5m high and Scots Pine to 6m high. With a 2m bund (earth mound), in most cases the trees may be about 5-10m above ground level compared to house blocks with a profile of 16+m. Residents/cyclist/ walkers on the Minter Way all use the minor road that passes the site.

For the combined reasons above, the planning applications on reserve matters should be refused.
The process of allowing new prison plans to be determined by a local authority is unsuitable in that the size and scale and aspects to be considered has resulted in thousands of pages of information/opinions and need a public inquiry to consider properly. Please object at ERYC planning, email planning@eastriding.gov.uk References 18/04105/STOUT.
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