Cyclists Dismount

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby mjr » 9 Nov 2015, 11:24am

gaz wrote:The Monsal Trail (NCN680) appears on Sustrans mapping without any link to Bakewell, local cycle routes and facilities are usually shown. IMO "Cyclists Dismount" and "(wheeled route)"are intended to inform you that the route should not be cycled.

That's odd. It looks like Bakewell Station and Station Road is a good link, although I can't spot where the pictured sign was. Have I misunderstood?
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Bmblbzzz » 9 Nov 2015, 11:49am

So often it is the case: all is clear to us until we find another's clarity muddies our view.

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby jochta » 9 Nov 2015, 10:18pm

mjr wrote:
jochta wrote:I disagree. If you are cycling towards the sign from behind the camera it's telling you the route continues left but you are supposed to dismount to continue that way as it is a wheeled route, i.e. you are supposed to wheel your bike and not ride it. The sign is facing the approaching cyclists.

As it does not indicate a direction, I would understand the sign as applying to if I pass beyond the sign. By turning left, I wouldn't pass beyond it and I'd probably believe that I could continue riding. If I obeyed every sign that was merely facing me, the roads would probably become unusable. After all, there's a 7.5t weight limit sign facing me beyond a nearby crossroads and that doesn't mean mean lorries can't turn left before the limit.

If they wished to convey the dismount as applying to the left turn, I feel it should be a blue patch on the left-pointing sign... or better to omit both the dismount sign and the white bike symbol and put a no-cycling red/white circle as a patch on the brown background.


I never said it was right but I'm sure that's what they intended when they put the sign there. BTW they shouldn't use a No Cycling sign at the end of a cycle facility...
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby jochta » 9 Nov 2015, 10:24pm

rmurphy195 wrote:I simply couldn't understand this one, coming off the Monsal trail into Bakewell

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As I said above they are trying to tell cyclists that there is a break in the cycle route here and they should dismount and continue left on foot to reach the town centre. This signpost only relates to the Monsal trail. It's not trying to tell you anything about going straight on or any other direction. I don't actually think it's that ambiguous...
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby RickH » 9 Nov 2015, 10:30pm

No - it is as clear as mud!

...Unless you can see the signs in context. I made assumptions that there was a straight ahead route that the sign referred to, or whether it is the continuation of the cycle route to the left that it applies to (or whether indeed it is a global instruction or simply a statement of fact :wink: ).

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby gaz » 9 Nov 2015, 10:41pm

mjr wrote:
gaz wrote:The Monsal Trail (NCN680) appears on Sustrans mapping without any link to Bakewell, local cycle routes and facilities are usually shown. IMO "Cyclists Dismount" and "(wheeled route)"are intended to inform you that the route should not be cycled.

That's odd. It looks like Bakewell Station and Station Road is a good link, although I can't spot where the pictured sign was. Have I misunderstood?

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Monsal Trail, Bakewell

Sustrans mapping does not show any cycle routes between Bakewell and the Monsal Trail. Clearly there are roads and the "(wheeled route)" public footpath but there are no recommended routes shown.
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby mjr » 9 Nov 2015, 10:55pm

You just mean that Sustrans has a route but no network in that area (again)? That is, there are cyclable routes but sustrans doesn't recognise them?
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby jgurney » 11 Nov 2015, 11:17pm

jochta wrote:As I said above they are trying to tell cyclists that there is a break in the cycle route here and they should dismount and continue left on foot to reach the town centre.


Is this like that ludicrous situation in Padstow where a converted railway foot/cycle path enters the town and comes to a dead end at the edge of a car park with signs requiring cyclists to dismount and walk through the car park to gain access to the town's road network? Another isolated cycle route not linking to the local roads at one end?

Why can't they do the same with some motorways - have them end at a car park with no route onward? Blackpool has a feature a little like that, but there is an exit a mile or so before the car park.

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby gaz » 20 Nov 2015, 1:58pm

I thought you'd like to see one of my favourites.
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View east


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View west

North is a brick wall. South is about 5 yards of shared path to a toucan crossing. The mind boggles.
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby MikeF » 20 Nov 2015, 11:40pm

They look absolutely pointless.
Remember it's an "information" sign....... so why do cyclists dismount? :? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Fasgadh » 9 Jun 2016, 9:46am

Northumberland CC seem to have got the idea that we cannot handle any of their cattle grids. Every grid between Carrycotts and Kirkwhelpington has our favourite blue sign either side of it. How much did this cost? The red triangle is warning enough for those who are not confident or in wet weather. Grids in good nick, but a bigger hazard on this road are the drifts of gravel at the bottom of the hills.

(Away from here there is a stretch of road near Dalkeith which has 5 such instructions in little more than a kilometre.)



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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Geoffroid » 9 Jun 2016, 5:22pm

I contacted my local councillor and the Highways Dept at Northumberland Council, to ask why the Cyclist Dismount signs were being used at cattle grids. No reply was received from either. This is a little irritating.

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Steady rider » 9 Jun 2016, 6:06pm

A few designs of cattle grids exist, tubes, RHS tubes (rectangular hollow section), spacing may vary a little perhaps.
Is there a UK standard for cattle grids?

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found it
http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/ ... 0030144002
but it would cost £112 / £56 to examine.

I think RHS is better for cycling across, could all cattle grids use RHS?

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Bmblbzzz » 9 Jun 2016, 6:53pm

I doubt if the decision to put up these signs is determined by the type or condition of the individual grid. Inglestone Common, north of Chipping Sodbury, has four cattle grids but only one has a Cyclists Dismount sign. All four are in type and this one is in better condition than others. The only thing that might determine it is its position, at the bottom of a steep hill; audax riders might know the climb to the Somerset Monument. But the road has actually flattened out at that point; besides, it's actually much easier, comfortable and more stable to go over a cattle grid with a bit of speed -- I'd say 15 to 20mph is good, even up to 25mph. Under 10 is far worse.

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Re: Cyclists Dismount

Postby Phil Fouracre » 9 Jun 2016, 8:46pm

gaz wrote:I thought you'd like to see one of my favourites.
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North is a brick wall. South is about 5 yards of shared path to a toucan crossing. The mind boggles.


Amazing! Is it because there is a slope? And, you might not be able to pedal up it?
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