Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby pwa » 17 Nov 2018, 4:05pm

brynpoeth wrote:Volkswagen is investing € 44 000 000 000 to convert several factories to produce electric vehicles, the first vehicles are to be produced at Zwickau in 2019
A price of € 20 000 was mentioned, but where shall the power come from?

Putin :lol:

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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby CREPELLO » 22 Nov 2018, 11:27am

I don't think that atmospheric Co2 had been viewed as directly toxic to human health before, has it?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nvironment

A Co2 atmospheric concentration of 1000ppm will be reached by 2100, on current trends. This concentration of Co2 has an effect of reducing cognitive brain function by 21%! Such concentrations are already found in urban environments right now, most tragically in inner city schools. Also, bedrooms have recorded C02 levels of 2000ppm. Which might be one reason to explain why many people feel so groggy first thing in the morning.

Just when we collectively need to understand and act on pollution and climate change, it turns out that our ability to clearly think these things through is being retarded by these pollutants :(
So that explains Trump then :twisted:

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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby Vorpal » 22 Nov 2018, 12:42pm

Mark R wrote:True. But what we absolutely do not need is yet another generation of 'clean diesels' which will surely become gross polluters as their emission control systems progressively begin to fail.

Also....once we have got rid of non-essential vehicles, what about the ones which are actually required (Buses, trains and taxis for example)? Are you happy for them to continue using diesel? I'm not...

Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of diesel cars.
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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby MikeF » 23 Nov 2018, 1:46pm

Vorpal wrote:
Mark R wrote:True. But what we absolutely do not need is yet another generation of 'clean diesels' which will surely become gross polluters as their emission control systems progressively begin to fail.

Also....once we have got rid of non-essential vehicles, what about the ones which are actually required (Buses, trains and taxis for example)? Are you happy for them to continue using diesel? I'm not...

Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of diesel cars.
Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of cars.
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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby al_yrpal » 23 Nov 2018, 2:04pm

Not only are the Chinese building filthy power stations in China….

BBC News - China-backed coal projects prompt climate change fears
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46310807

They are now considering using silver iodide over Delhi to make it rain and cut air polution

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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby brynpoeth » 4 Dec 2018, 8:05pm

20 000 people have gathered in Poland to talk about pollution and global warming, many of them flew there

Seems to me the problem is use of resources, not just energy, people have too much stuff. Too many bikes even, houses that are too big and too warm &c &c
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott
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