Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

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Postby pwa » 17 Nov 2018, 4:05pm

brynpoeth wrote:Volkswagen is investing € 44 000 000 000 to convert several factories to produce electric vehicles, the first vehicles are to be produced at Zwickau in 2019
A price of € 20 000 was mentioned, but where shall the power come from?

Putin :lol:

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Postby CREPELLO » 22 Nov 2018, 11:27am

I don't think that atmospheric Co2 had been viewed as directly toxic to human health before, has it?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nvironment

A Co2 atmospheric concentration of 1000ppm will be reached by 2100, on current trends. This concentration of Co2 has an effect of reducing cognitive brain function by 21%! Such concentrations are already found in urban environments right now, most tragically in inner city schools. Also, bedrooms have recorded C02 levels of 2000ppm. Which might be one reason to explain why many people feel so groggy first thing in the morning.

Just when we collectively need to understand and act on pollution and climate change, it turns out that our ability to clearly think these things through is being retarded by these pollutants :(
So that explains Trump then :twisted:

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Postby Vorpal » 22 Nov 2018, 12:42pm

Mark R wrote:True. But what we absolutely do not need is yet another generation of 'clean diesels' which will surely become gross polluters as their emission control systems progressively begin to fail.

Also....once we have got rid of non-essential vehicles, what about the ones which are actually required (Buses, trains and taxis for example)? Are you happy for them to continue using diesel? I'm not...

Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of diesel cars.
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Postby MikeF » 23 Nov 2018, 1:46pm

Vorpal wrote:
Mark R wrote:True. But what we absolutely do not need is yet another generation of 'clean diesels' which will surely become gross polluters as their emission control systems progressively begin to fail.

Also....once we have got rid of non-essential vehicles, what about the ones which are actually required (Buses, trains and taxis for example)? Are you happy for them to continue using diesel? I'm not...

Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of diesel cars.
Not really, but I'd rather share with a few diesel busses than thousands of cars.
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Postby al_yrpal » 23 Nov 2018, 2:04pm

Not only are the Chinese building filthy power stations in China….

BBC News - China-backed coal projects prompt climate change fears
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46310807

They are now considering using silver iodide over Delhi to make it rain and cut air polution

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Postby brynpoeth » 4 Dec 2018, 8:05pm

20 000 people have gathered in Poland to talk about pollution and global warming, many of them flew there

Seems to me the problem is use of resources, not just energy, people have too much stuff. Too many bikes even, houses that are too big and too warm &c &c
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott
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Postby Mark R » 29 Jan 2019, 11:08pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gguwJRrzzF8

Here is a nice video update on the diesel bans in Germany for anyone interested....

Notice the Deutsche Post delivery bicycle at 3:30!

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Re: Every breath we take: the lifelong impact of air pollution

Postby Graham » 30 Jan 2019, 9:39am


Having watched to half way through I get the impression that the film makers are presenting the diesel bans in German cities as unreasonable panic due to reliance on incomplete science.

I'll watch the rest later to see if they balance this out . . . .

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Postby squeaker » 30 Jan 2019, 6:27pm

Graham wrote:

Having watched to half way through I get the impression that the film makers are presenting the diesel bans in German cities as unreasonable panic due to reliance on incomplete science.
Having watched the lot I'd go along with the 'unreasonable panic' thesis, but it was only a 28 minute documentary and I'm no epidemiologist.... I'd rather focus on the findings / methods / recommendations of the original RCPCH report.
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Postby Mark R » 2 Feb 2019, 9:26am

Having watched the lot I'd go along with the 'unreasonable panic' thesis, but it was only a 28 minute documentary and I'm no epidemiologist.... I'd rather focus on the findings / methods / recommendations of the original RCPCH report.


More background.....

https://www.politico.eu/article/dueling-doctors-poison-germanys-diesel-car-debate/

My take would be that some doctors have decided to join the industry lobby to get the air quality limits reduced - and thus avoid the upcoming diesel bans.

In any case Deutche Welle decided to re-frame the debate in terms of the German govt pushing for legislation against the wishes of the medical profession.

In fact the opposite is true!!!

Blatant spin verging on outright dishonesty. The German govt, including its state broadcaster, is clearly in the pockets of the car industry lobby. AFATAC the car industry must be protected at all costs, including public health. Will be interesting to see how this plays out....