Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

DavidT
Posts: 1216
Joined: 13 Jan 2007, 2:05pm
Location: East Midlands (Originally from Devon)

Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby DavidT » 29 Apr 2016, 10:50pm

Some may be interested in this.

Admittedly rather sparse details on the HSE website, but it seems a Supermarket has been told it may have misinterpreted things...

http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/myth-busting ... icycle.htm

Happy cycling.
David

Winders
Posts: 36
Joined: 31 Aug 2015, 6:15pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Winders » 29 Apr 2016, 10:56pm

My wife is banned from taking her bike trailer into the reception of our local council as its a security risk apparently...


I'm a trendy consumer. Just look at my stupid phone.

User avatar
Redvee
Posts: 2161
Joined: 8 Mar 2010, 8:58pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Redvee » 30 Apr 2016, 1:38am

The guy in question is poster on the forum too, first he was told he couldn't take his Brompton in the shop, then he could via social media then he was told no when he next went in.

User avatar
Lance Dopestrong
Posts: 1227
Joined: 18 Sep 2014, 1:52pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 1 May 2016, 5:12pm

Winders wrote:My wife is banned from taking her bike trailer into the reception of our local council as its a security risk apparently...


Did they elaborate on what risk it causes, or how they accommodate similarly sized wheelchairs without them either exploding or stealing payroll? What about the cars parked outside that could conceal a tonne of explosive?
https://themediocrecyclist.home.blog
Self employed MIAS L5.B Instructor.
Warwickshire Lowland Rescue Bike lead.
IPMBA certified member.
Cyctech C2 hammer and crowbar bodger.
Lapsed CTC Ride Leader, amateur hour stuff from the fun old days.

rmurphy195
Posts: 1376
Joined: 20 May 2011, 11:23am
Location: South Birmingham

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not

Postby rmurphy195 » 3 May 2016, 10:59am

Winders wrote:My wife is banned from taking her bike trailer into the reception of our local council as its a security risk apparently...


I'm a trendy consumer. Just look at my stupid phone.


Security risk, or simply obstruction of fire exits?
Brompton, Condor Heritage, creaky joints and grey hair
""You know you're getting old when it's easier to ride a bike than to get on and off it" - quote from observant jogger !

Zigster
Posts: 48
Joined: 29 Oct 2012, 7:55am

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Zigster » 3 May 2016, 1:42pm

When London Bridge staff told me (in no uncertain terms) to fold my Brompton before going through the automatic barriers they claimed it was on Health & Safety grounds because I might ride it off the platform and on to the railway lines! I was only pushing it, not riding it.

I asked them how it was so dangerous for me to wheel my bike when there were a number of people around me wheeling suitcases.

iviehoff
Posts: 2411
Joined: 20 Jan 2009, 4:38pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby iviehoff » 3 May 2016, 4:02pm

I have wheeled my non-folding bicycle onto the platform at numerous central London termini, including London Bridge a couple of times, to catch or leave a train without any complaints, at times of the day when one is permitted to do this. I also wheel my bicycle on the platform at Marylebone up to twice a day in peak hours, as the parking facilities are on the platform.

I expect the real reason was that they knew that only folding bikes are allowed at peak hours, but didn't know more than that.

User avatar
Lance Dopestrong
Posts: 1227
Joined: 18 Sep 2014, 1:52pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 3 May 2016, 5:08pm

Zigster wrote:When London Bridge staff told me (in no uncertain terms) to fold my Brompton before going through the automatic barriers they claimed it was on Health & Safety grounds because I might ride it off the platform and on to the railway lines! I was only pushing it, not riding it.

I asked them how it was so dangerous for me to wheel my bike when there were a number of people around me wheeling suitcases.


I have asked them what's to stop you unfolding it and then going for a ride. It doesn't suddenly cease being a bike because it's been folded. You can't beat a uniformed Nazi on minimum wage when it comes to sensible exercise of authority.
https://themediocrecyclist.home.blog
Self employed MIAS L5.B Instructor.
Warwickshire Lowland Rescue Bike lead.
IPMBA certified member.
Cyctech C2 hammer and crowbar bodger.
Lapsed CTC Ride Leader, amateur hour stuff from the fun old days.

Tom Richardson
Posts: 772
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 1:45pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not

Postby Tom Richardson » 4 May 2016, 4:43pm

Lance Dopestrong wrote:
Did they elaborate on what risk it causes, or how they accommodate similarly sized wheelchairs without them either exploding or stealing payroll? What about the cars parked outside that could conceal a tonne of explosive?


Its claims culture rather than anything to do with health and safety. Someone will catch their coat on it and make a claim against the building owner for the anguish and distress caused. The owner will fight it and when it comes up in court the judge will recall it as one of those ridiculous velocipede things that once got stuck in the front grille of his Bentley, with absolutely no place in a municipal building or any other public place come to that, and will order the council to pay up. Every building owner that imagines this happening to them will then ban them from its premises.

User avatar
661-Pete
Posts: 8880
Joined: 22 Nov 2012, 8:45pm
Location: Sussex

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby 661-Pete » 4 May 2016, 5:02pm

Zigster wrote:When London Bridge staff told me (in no uncertain terms) to fold my Brompton before going through the automatic barriers they claimed it was on Health & Safety grounds because I might ride it off the platform and on to the railway lines! I was only pushing it, not riding it.

Shhhhhh.............ugar! I've more than once ridden my bike right onto the platform at Burgess Hill station, before dismounting. This is because they're often understaffed there and they then leave the ticket barriers open (wannabe fare dodgers take note!). I must have broken every rule in the book, plus quite a few that aren't yet in the book! Why I'm not yet doing a stretch in Lewes gaol, I can't imagine.... :roll:
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).

User avatar
661-Pete
Posts: 8880
Joined: 22 Nov 2012, 8:45pm
Location: Sussex

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby 661-Pete » 4 May 2016, 5:10pm

Talking about 'not being allowed to wheel my bike somewhere' - I recall an occasion years ago (some time in the 1960s) when I was a student at an Oxford college (for my sins :oops: ). I and a fellow student arrived at the college entrance on our bikes, dismounted and prepared to wheel our bikes across the quad to the bike racks, as per usual. On this occasion the porter stopped us. "Sorry gents, can't have bikes taken in today, it's a special day, the Queen's coming to pay us a visit."

Well, we knew about the queen's visit, of course, but it was still over an hour before she was due to arrive. Was the porter thinking, it would take us that long to wheel the bikes across the quad, hence running the risk of her Maj catching sight of this "eouhhhh-how-common" form of transport?

We found another way in, unguarded 8) . And the Q did turn up on schedule. No bicycles assailed the royal eyes....

Pity this wasn't in Holland. There, the queen would probably have turned up on her own bicycle. :D
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).

Richard Fairhurst
Posts: 1363
Joined: 2 Mar 2008, 4:57pm
Location: Charlbury, Oxfordshire

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Richard Fairhurst » 4 May 2016, 5:49pm

661-Pete wrote:I've more than once ridden my bike right onto the platform at Burgess Hill station, before dismounting.

I did once ride my bike directly into the vestibule of a 'Turbo' train at Charlbury station. I was very late. (And much younger.)
cycle.travel - maps, journey-planner, route guides and city guides

rmurphy195
Posts: 1376
Joined: 20 May 2011, 11:23am
Location: South Birmingham

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby rmurphy195 » 4 May 2016, 7:45pm

661-Pete wrote:Talking about 'not being allowed to wheel my bike somewhere' - I recall an occasion years ago (some time in the 1960s) when I was a student at an Oxford college (for my sins :oops: ). I and a fellow student arrived at the college entrance on our bikes, dismounted and prepared to wheel our bikes across the quad to the bike racks, as per usual. On this occasion the porter stopped us. "Sorry gents, can't have bikes taken in today, it's a special day, the Queen's coming to pay us a visit."

Well, we knew about the queen's visit, of course, but it was still over an hour before she was due to arrive. Was the porter thinking, it would take us that long to wheel the bikes across the quad, hence running the risk of her Maj catching sight of this "eouhhhh-how-common" form of transport?

We found another way in, unguarded 8) . And the Q did turn up on schedule. No bicycles assailed the royal eyes....

Pity this wasn't in Holland. There, the queen would probably have turned up on her own bicycle. :D


Common security restriction at such events - see what the IRA did with bicycle bombs, and think what could be done with modern explosives packed into frame tubes - no need for baskets or saddlebags!!
Brompton, Condor Heritage, creaky joints and grey hair
""You know you're getting old when it's easier to ride a bike than to get on and off it" - quote from observant jogger !

Mike Sales
Posts: 2930
Joined: 7 Mar 2009, 3:31pm

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby Mike Sales » 4 May 2016, 8:00pm

rmurphy195 wrote:Common security restriction at such events - see what the IRA did with bicycle bombs, and think what could be done with modern explosives packed into frame tubes - no need for baskets or saddlebags!!


What did the IRA do with bicycle bombs?

http://www.john-adams.co.uk/category/bicycle-bombs/

John Adams has been unable to find any examples of the sort of bicycle bomb you describe (as opposed to a bomb in a bag on a bike).

Has anyone, anywhere, ever, been killed by a pipe bomb disguised as a bicycle? I have been pursuing this question since last June with the help of the Internet and the BBC’s Today Programme and World Service. So far the answer appears to be “not yet”.

User avatar
gaz
Posts: 13639
Joined: 9 Mar 2007, 12:09pm
Location: Kent, car park of England

Re: Folding bikes - H&S not "gone mad"...

Postby gaz » 4 May 2016, 8:08pm

There was a lady wheeling her solo MTB around the aisles of the local Tesco yesterday, with a toddler in the child seat on the back.

I didn't stay long enough to see if she got challenged by security. Perhaps she could have tried to explain it away as a designer pushchair :wink: .
Hand wash only. Do not iron.