The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

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The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby recumbentpanda » 31 Jan 2018, 7:08pm

I am lucky to live close to some very good ( and practically useful ) off road cycle paths. It is very noticeable over the last ten years that there has been a significant increase in people driving to the paths in order to cycle, to the extent that on weekends and in school holidays, parking is becoming an issue.

Does any one agree with me that it is a thoroughly bad thing that cycling becomes a thing like skiing or kayaking, that you have to go somewhere to do, rather than something you do to go somewhere?

Now before this thread, if it becomes a thread, is inundated with anecdotes about how people absolutely MUST drive to ride, for a dozen different reasons, all of them incontrovertible, I would like to say that if we are at all successful in changing the culture of drivers on our roads, the dwindling of this particular piece of ‘sensible insanity’ will be a good index.

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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby reohn2 » 31 Jan 2018, 7:23pm

The problem with cycling to go somewhere for many is a stressful experience,that's because of the lack of cycling infrastructure and the agressive nature of drivers toward cyclists on UK roads.
As a result people,especially families feel the need to drive and ride on offroad facilities.
It's that simple,and until something is done such as providing safe quality infrastructure that goes places instead of only somewhere to go to,to ride,it will remain part of UK cycling life.
Though I wouldn't hold my breath for this situation to change anytime soon with the current government outlook on transport and cycling facilities.
Nor would I count on UK cycling bodies to make any dent in government policy especially CUK,as it's funding may be cut if it makes too much of the wrong noise.
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby brynpoeth » 31 Jan 2018, 7:46pm

Yes it is a tragedy but not quite as bad as the twitchers who drive hundreds of miles to see (they think) a special bird
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby Bonefishblues » 31 Jan 2018, 7:49pm

A source of regret, but some way short of a tragedy, I'd say.

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Postby hemo » 31 Jan 2018, 8:00pm

I thinks it's a one up man ship/car thing and you can't have fun riding with out going by car to show off your possessions a bit like roof bar skiers in their Audi's. Though some folk don't always tie their bike on properly only last week I heard a clatter as two mtb;s fell off a car roof on to Chalkpit Road in Dorking.

I probably can't talk as all my riding is electric assisted but everywhere I go by ebike is from home nr Gatwick so whether it's mtb to Surrey Hills/ North Downs 15/16 miles or to the S/Downs 18 odd miles nearest to bottom of downs, but I do at least cycle and have to pedal to get where I'm going to & ride a route before riding for home which I do all year round. Contrary to a lot of belief ebikes still wear you out if you ride far enough.
I can ride a 60% off road route to the North and a 80% cycle route to the South if I wish to, planning is everything and all viable routes can be found on OS Explore maps or opern streel maps etc.

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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby whoof » 31 Jan 2018, 8:11pm

recumbentpanda wrote:I am lucky to live close to some very good ( and practically useful ) off road cycle paths.

Firstly,Some people aren't.

I used to drive to races. If you considered this in isolation it appeared to increase the amount of motorised traffic on the road. However as I needed to train and make the most of my time I commuted far more miles each year than I drove to races. I stopped racing 12 years ago but I still commute more than 5000 miles a year. You have made some assumptions which may or may not be true.

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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby landsurfer » 31 Jan 2018, 8:33pm

Nonsense.
I live on top of a big hill in S. Yorks.
The first 10 - 15 miles of every ride-out covers the same roads .... boring roads.
So sometimes i drive to Gainsborough, do a 50 mile loop across new pastures and drive home.
I drive to the start of sportives, and ride the loop.
I even get the train away and ride back.
The latest "Drive-Ride" was from Bawtry .... 40 miles of new roads and good fun.
Taking the Girls for a cycle by the canal is an 8 mile drive to the start, but the 6 and 8 year olds love their rides on a Sunday.
Shall i stop them having such fun and exercise.
The only thing "Tragic" about this post is the lack of choice it raises and the need some people have to make others feel bad about Cycling !
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Postby brynpoeth » 31 Jan 2018, 8:37pm

landsurfer wrote:Nonsense.
I live on top of a big hill in S. Yorks.
The first 10 - 15 miles of every ride-out covers the same roads .... boring roads.
So sometimes i drive to Gainsborough, do a 50 mile loop across new pastures and drive home.
I drive to the start of sportives, and ride the loop.
I even get the train away and ride back.
The latest "Drive-Ride" was from Bawtry .... 40 miles of new roads and good fun.
Taking the Girls for a cycle by the canal is an 8 mile drive to the start, but the 6 and 8 year olds love their rides on a Sunday.
Shall i stop them having such fun and exercise.
The only thing "Tragic" about this post is the lack of choice it raises and the need some people have to make others feel bad about Cycling !

I love riding the same way again and again, the weather and colours change each time and I can not get lost
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Postby landsurfer » 31 Jan 2018, 8:47pm

brynpoeth wrote:I love riding the same way again and again, the weather and colours change each time and I can not get lost


Fair comment, well made ....
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby mjr » 31 Jan 2018, 9:42pm

Phew. I thought this was going to be a rant against the growth in 'park and pedal'.

I wouldn't worry much. Eventually, they'll feel able to ride all the way, or they'll be so many that the cycleways get extended to the nearby homes to ease the car parking problem.
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby Tangled Metal » 31 Jan 2018, 10:41pm

brynpoeth wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Nonsense.
I live on top of a big hill in S. Yorks.
The first 10 - 15 miles of every ride-out covers the same roads .... boring roads.
So sometimes i drive to Gainsborough, do a 50 mile loop across new pastures and drive home.
I drive to the start of sportives, and ride the loop.
I even get the train away and ride back.
The latest "Drive-Ride" was from Bawtry .... 40 miles of new roads and good fun.
Taking the Girls for a cycle by the canal is an 8 mile drive to the start, but the 6 and 8 year olds love their rides on a Sunday.
Shall i stop them having such fun and exercise.
The only thing "Tragic" about this post is the lack of choice it raises and the need some people have to make others feel bad about Cycling !

I love riding the same way again and again, the weather and colours change each time and I can not get lost

I think this shows a little about how everyone's different. Is there really any need to put our viewpoints on others?

There's nothing wrong with driving to cycle somewhere. There's many reasons why but tbh why should anyone have to justify their decisions to anyone.

However if you want to know my reasons they include safety for my 5 year old (and when he was younger). Not many off road cycleways nearby. The ones we have we've ridden so many times and even the local ones take time and distance to get to. If you're with a child who only has limited miles in his legs then skipping the closest parts to explore more is needed.

With a young child you have to keep their interest in the activities you like to do. Cycling the same, single off road route from our door we'd soon lose his interest in cycling. It's only the same as walking which we also do by driving places first. Only there's more walking routes from our house.

Any activity we do outside work is about enjoyment and release. Putting restrictions on how we go about our free time could affect that. If shopping is your thing then would you get your fix by going to the village shop or do you need to drive an hour to get to the Trafford Centre? How about holidays? We're an island nation so wherever you are you're not far from the sea, why fly to Spain for a beach holiday? Whatever your leisure activity the likelihood is you'll travel to do it at some point.

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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby brynpoeth » 31 Jan 2018, 10:47pm

deliquium of this parish does it right, he cycles only, 10 000 miles a year, no bus no car :D
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby bovlomov » 31 Jan 2018, 11:18pm

If it happens enough, it raises the prospect of increased cycling resulting in increased motoring. But I guess the motorists would be driving to other leisure activities if they weren't going cycling - so perhaps not.

Anyway, here's a very old (and crappily drawn) picture I did many years ago on the subject.

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Postby landsurfer » 31 Jan 2018, 11:19pm

brynpoeth wrote:deliquium of this parish does it right, he cycles only, 10 000 miles a year, no bus no car :D


Let me guess ... Single ? :D
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Re: The Tragic Proliferation of ‘Drive-Cycling’

Postby rickd » 31 Jan 2018, 11:26pm

Before I took up cyclng I was a walker and most weekends drove up to the peak district to do some walking. My cycling involves much less use of the car - in part because its more hassle and takes away time I could be cycling. However I sometimes use the car to travel to an audax in a new or interesting area; other times we might go as a family to ride one of the trails in the peak district for a day out. To me its not either or its a balance.