"Death by Dangerous Cycling" new offence?

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My suggestion would be to use human rights. (I'll try to keep it brief but anybody who doesn't like posts longer than a twitter should look away now.)
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The collapse in traffic policing has been in proportion to the increasing priority given to investigating personal violence and particularly sexual offences. That's an observation, not a complaint.

We are now seeing the investigation of a lot of things which were not thoroughly dealt with in the past, and I predict that the lack of thoroughness in the investigation of road traffic offences will go the opposite way, ie down.

The events following the death in a fatal crash of Michael Mason seem to be the nadir - the pits - but there's little to stop it getting worse.

Recent legislation has largely prevented coroners' inquests pointing the finger at suspects, on the basis that a thorough police investigation followed by a legally qualified decision by the CPS is a better guide for criminal proceedings than a coroner's jury hearing a lot of evidence which would be inadmissible in a criminal trial. I fear that it's gone too far in that in fatal crashes, the police seem to be taking decisions which should be taken by the CPS. In the private prosecution which followed the death of Michael Mason, the judge dismissed a submission of "no case to answer." That's not the same as the CPS's evidential test which requires that "Prosecutors must be satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction against each suspect on each charge." I would say that in a case involving death, that decision should be taken by the CPS and not anticipated by a police officer. (The two CPS tests were introduced to stop over-zealous police prosecutions, but I'm saying they should be applied before a decision is taken not to prosecute a driver after a fatal collision. I suspect that this is the only type of investigation into a sudden or violent death with a known suspect where the CPS is not automatically consulted. The DPP announced a while ago that the CPS would not give theoretical charging decisions about deceased suspects, which shows how much CPS advice is valued normally by the police.)

How might this be achieved? Apart from the usual lobbying, which has certainly led to the changes in priorities I mentioned above, the legal route may be the only answer. That's not cheap but AFAIK, concerned people crowd-funded the unsuccessful private prosecution after the death of Michael Mason and IIRC something like a thousand good people stumped up an average of fifteen quid each to buy the "Close Pass" mats.

I don't know anything of the details but there's been a lot of publicity recently about John Warboys' victims being compensated for an inadequate investigation of their complaints involving events some years ago. I understand that was based on their human rights not being respected. It's not to belittle their experience to note that they were not killed. I really do think this approach might be more successful than another private prosecution in the event of a similar death of a cyclist. It seems to me that a private prosecution is likely to fail largely because the jury will know that the police had already "cleared" the defendant. In the Michael Mason case, it was also something like three years before it reached the Crown Court, which is in nobody's interest. Also, the acquittal can be portrayed as justifying the original decision not to proceed, even though the verdict may have been based on that decision.

My second suggestion involves strengthening the role of coroners so that they insist on a senior CPS lawyer explaining the reasons a known suspect was not prosecuted. The witness box might be a lonely place for somebody with all eyes on them to explain "We don't prosecute drivers for shunting other drivers, and it's no different to us if they kill a cyclist." I think the CPS would take a close look at the police file before the inquest. I'm not saying every case would go to court but it would tighten up the approach.

IMO, the route here is through the Chief Coroner, a recently created post "providing national leadership for coroners in England and Wales."
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/related-of ... f-coroner/

It's worth remembering that the first post-holder, now retired, issued guidance to coroners that deaths of elderly residents in care homes should be investigated as though they were deaths in state custody under human rights law. The Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS) have been amended so this is no longer the case but that doesn't mean this is not a worthwhile route.

Good human rights lawyers tend not to come cheap, but Michael Mansfield QC's performance at the Diana/ Dodi inquest fundamentally changed the inquest system, even though he eventually had to accept that his client Fayed had no evidence for any of his allegations.

I've posted this on this thread because that's the way the discussion is going, but I'll re-reiterate that the proposed charge of causing death by dangerous cycling is a distraction. This is based on working within the system.
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PS Sorry to make this even longer but I've remembered that the last DPP introduced a right to seek a review of CPS decisions to not to charge people, or to discontinue proceedings, based on human rights principles, btw.

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from the link in that post

Mr Starmer said the move could affect about 70,000 cases a year, but would not cover those dropped by the police. (My emphasis)


Time to extend it to some of those cases, in particular where somebody has been killed?
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ianrobo wrote:In the past weeks we had two incidents, a driver murdering 3 kids as he ploughed into the bus shelter in London and the two young boys murdered in coventry by a drink driver and someone who had been banned.

So where was the Heil and Sun outrage at this, where was the call for banned and DD drivers to be tagged and using GPS tech which is easily available etc ? ......................Nah this all about attacking a minority something the right do very well and this is a Tory not labour proposition.

+ 1 to all that Ian.
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To capitalise on the groundswell of public opinion in favour of my last post as in "trending - not" I'll return to another proposal I made some time ago, but it's not one where cyclists could do anything like taking court action.

It seems obvious to me that the collapse in traffic policing has inevitably led to a decline in driving standards and with it the definitions of careless and dangerous driving. I see no prospect of a reversal of this trend.

We are in the bizarre situation where highway authorities introduce safety schemes - admittedly using casualty reduction as the measure - but they are then dependent on a reluctant police service for enforcement. Perhaps the most obvious example is speed limits, where the police view on enforcement can be the decider. Of particular relevance to cyclists is the need for some limits to be self-enforcing; a circumlocution for humps and road narrowings which can destabilise cyclists while putting them in competition for road space with "calmed" drivers. In the modern era of camera enforcement this is at least an anarchronism; it doesn't need Fancy Smith in a Z Car, anybody can process speed camera detections. Even if it went no further than that, the ability of highway authorities to bring down road speeds where they felt it was necessary must be beneficial. Apart from anything else, highway authorities are much less sensitive to cash-cow complaints. It seems plain to me that as the police reduce their traffic enforcement profile, so they reduce their overall expertise in this area: if they don't do it, they can no longer claim to know all about it. Camera enforcement is IMO underused for things like traffic lights and prohibited manoeuvres.

It can't be long before Highways England is given its own enforcement powers, much like the BTP on the railways and I'm surprised it's taken this long.
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The problem with human rights, or natural rights if you will (I know they aren't quite the same) is that government aren't interested in them. In fact they've forced through 'acts' not laws to effectively remove those rights and continually diminish them often through stealth and often also through manipulation of the general public who then approve of such (or don't push back against the changes) this can and is done through creating fear of harm which the government themselves were a part in creating.
Contrast that with how harm is caused by motorvehicle drivers on a much more massive scale and yet we've seen the right to live in peace and without harm pretty much snatched away from us and the so called keepers of the peace do anything but, or only when it suits. :twisted:

Additionally we have already seen the government taken to court over pollution and what has happened, nothing, not only would it take a lot of money to take the home secretary, high chancellor, prime minister or all three to task, it would in reality change nothing because their is no political will to make the drastic changes that we need.
They cannot see that by making changes and addressing stuff like deaths & injuries on the roads - the victims of crime, that this costs the nations tens of billions of pounds every single year, 500 fewer deaths and 6000 fewer serious injuries alone would conservatively amount to £2Bn not to mention the heartache for families of on the recieving end of criminality.
Instead of focusing on small stuff maybe it's time that all the cycling and road safety organisations got together to crowd fund legal action against the government to force them to change how things work, as I've said I don't know if it will do any good if they can just ignore it anyway but I'd put £250 toward it if there was a chance we could force government to make the changes that would bring back our unalienable rights.
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FWIW, my suggestions were aimed at ensuring that specific public authorities took certain actions, which would have the wider effect of improving things.

My only other observation is how we got here. This is in the current CPS guidelines and has been there in one form or another since the establishment of the organisation a long time ago. Whatever its purpose, it's been taken to mean "We don't bother with most crashes."

It will not necessarily be appropriate to prosecute every case where a minor collision occurs e.g. where the incident is of a type that involves minimal carelessness which may occur when parking a vehicle or in traffic queues. The extent of any damage does not matter in such cases; it is the extent of the driving error. Prosecutors should ensure that proceedings are not conducted for the sake of settling questions of liability for the benefit of individual drivers or insurance companies.


https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/r ... -incidents

And this is how the Metroplitan Police Service seems to have come to the conclusion that there was no need to submit a file to the CPS. I cannot see any other explanation.

A bit late now after more than three decades but the DPP is the head of the CPS and that's where the lobbying needs to be directed.
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Hello! It's me again! (Apologies to those who don't read Private Eye.)

The latest report from what used to be HM Inspectorate of Constabulary caught my jaundiced eye.

Police can take days to respond to 999 calls, says report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43497047

Stick with it and there's this gem:

The National Police Chiefs' Council said it was working with forces to boost their detective numbers and specialist capability to help them manage and reduce demand.


Unfortunately, there wasn't space to explain how more detectives improve the response to emergency calls. Also, do they mean "reduce expectations?"

Anyway, HMICFRS is largely unknown territory for me so I looked at their www:-


HMICFRS: Promoting improvements in policing and fire & rescue services to make everyone safer

Our purpose

To promote improvements in policing and fire & rescue services to make everyone safer.

(So good they said it twice :roll: )

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/

All fine and dandy, so I dug a bit deeper to find out how they do it. Ironically, the acronym is PEEL. (To spell out the irony, not the acronym, Sir Robert Peel's "New Police" was founded on the principle of prevention by visible patrol, with detection a poor second.)

I followed some of the links and in spite of a lot of fine-sounding spiel, I'm truly none the wiser. Bearing in mind that visible patrolling is one of the best ways of improving driver behaviour, the key question for me is "How does cutting traffic policing increase safety?" Unfortunately, that's not touched on. I suspect that if anybody asked, they'd get a lot of twaddle about reduced casualties.

Perhaps it needs a substantial number of people to ask, and not to be satisfied with what Detective Inspector Grim referred to as "fanny."
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