How to improve safety at a junction

atlas_shrugged
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Re: How to improve safety at a junction

Postby atlas_shrugged » 20 Jun 2018, 8:15am

The solution is to remove the junctions at least as far as cyclists and walkers are concerned. Keep the two groups (vulnerable and motor-vehicles) segregated.

I know the junction referred to in Ely. Like all the other Cambridgeshire towns cycleways are bad. For example much more could be done to make the riverfront to the station safe and direct - instead near the rail bridge the road crossings are awful.

Would it have been possible to put a cycleway in near the Broad Street junction? There is no money, no room they wail. Funny how there is money and room to build new housing estates and supermarkets in that area. Just knock down an old brewery, flatten a chemicals company, or build on a free car park. It always seems possible to do these things.

They just are unable to build high-quality continuous and segregated greenways @CambsCountyCouncil

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Re: How to improve safety at a junction

Postby mjr » 20 Jun 2018, 8:24am

Pete Owens wrote:Burn off the cycle lane and use the remainder of the cash to implement a 20mph across the whole of Ely.

As usual, I agree with Mr Owens about narrow junction-only cycle lanes.

They are usually deployed as part of a scheme to slow traffic over an area rather than at a single junction.

Not been to Cambridgeshire much, then! They should be deployed as part of an area scheme and occasionally are, but usually? Not in my experience. Recently, they seem to get deployed in isolation, a fun challenge for ratrunners to see how little they have to slow between sprints and how much they can spark their undertray on take off and landing.

Pete Owens wrote: And for those arguing that somehow speed is not the issue it is just a matter of those giving way to look more carefully

Who are they? Most of the objection to the table is that crash hazard tables on descents are dangerous ways to slow cycles. As you wrote earlier, they should be smooth or sinusoidal, which they won't be because that won't slow cycles. They'll be the old ones with corners.

atlas_shrugged wrote: They just are unable to build high-quality continuous and segregated greenways @CambsCountyCouncil

Unless they want them for something else (like the busway one which is used by maintenance vehicles) or think they can turn it into a carriageway later (some sections of Routes 11 and 51).
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