Swapping penalty points

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby softlips » 23 Jun 2018, 8:41pm

brynpoeth wrote:I like to keep comfortably inside the maximum speed limit
This is fine on the motorway where normal drivers can overtake easily


I don’t speed. My company car has a telematics system fitted. I’ve no issue at all with this.

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby brynpoeth » 23 Jun 2018, 8:46pm

Surely the websites of unsafe speed and the british association of drivers, bad, are illegal
Just like racism, child porn &c
Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott.. Alternative facts welcome

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Bonefishblues » 23 Jun 2018, 8:49pm

One assumes not, since they have been in existence for many years. Do you seek to compare them with those?

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby pwa » 23 Jun 2018, 8:56pm

thirdcrank wrote:
PDQ Mobile wrote: ... He was as I remember it brought down because he was having an affair and his wife/partner decided to dish the dirt on him.
Bringing the sky down on both of them.
Otherwise nobody would ever have known.


While it's right that the rest of society might never have known, IIRC, his son was also aware and was caught in the web. I'm not clear what point you are making here: that it's easy to get away with? or something else?


I imagine the point is that getting caught declaring the wrong driver is rare, and the chances of being prosecuted for it are very small. Too small to deter me if I wanted to do that. It is an option that will exist for households until we have a system that tells us, rather than asking us, who was driving at the time of the alleged offence.

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby brynpoeth » 23 Jun 2018, 9:01pm

pwa wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:
PDQ Mobile wrote: ... He was as I remember it brought down because he was having an affair and his wife/partner decided to dish the dirt on him.
Bringing the sky down on both of them.
Otherwise nobody would ever have known.


While it's right that the rest of society might never have known, IIRC, his son was also aware and was caught in the web. I'm not clear what point you are making here: that it's easy to get away with? or something else?


I imagine the point is that getting caught declaring the wrong driver is rare, and the chances of being prosecuted for it are very small. Too small to deter me if I wanted to do that. It is an option that will exist for households until we have a system that tells us, rather than asking us, who was driving at the time of the alleged offence.

A small chance. Of a big punishment, going to prison could ruin ones life
Or are only VIPs sent to prison?
Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott.. Alternative facts welcome

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby pwa » 23 Jun 2018, 9:04pm

brynpoeth wrote:
pwa wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:
While it's right that the rest of society might never have known, IIRC, his son was also aware and was caught in the web. I'm not clear what point you are making here: that it's easy to get away with? or something else?


I imagine the point is that getting caught declaring the wrong driver is rare, and the chances of being prosecuted for it are very small. Too small to deter me if I wanted to do that. It is an option that will exist for households until we have a system that tells us, rather than asking us, who was driving at the time of the alleged offence.

A small chance. Of a big punishment, going to prison could ruin ones life
Or are only VIPs sent to prison?


Only folk who have a marital tiff that ends up with one of them picking up the phone to confess. :lol:

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Bonefishblues » 23 Jun 2018, 9:09pm

pwa wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
pwa wrote:
I imagine the point is that getting caught declaring the wrong driver is rare, and the chances of being prosecuted for it are very small. Too small to deter me if I wanted to do that. It is an option that will exist for households until we have a system that tells us, rather than asking us, who was driving at the time of the alleged offence.

A small chance. Of a big punishment, going to prison could ruin ones life
Or are only VIPs sent to prison?


Only folk who have a marital tiff that ends up with one of them picking up the phone to confess. :lol:

...and goes down for 8 months too!

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby brynpoeth » 23 Jun 2018, 9:10pm

Bonefishblues wrote:One assumes not, since they have been in existence for many years. Do you seek to compare them with those?

Compare different types of evil? I have a special interest in motor crime, don't know anything about child porn fortunately, cannae compare
Plenty of banned/evil things are tolerated despite the law
The ss + bad certainly should be banned, they show ways to break the law, avoid getting caught &c

Some things are banned now that were tolerated a few years ago, Plus One usually
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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby brynpoeth » 23 Jun 2018, 9:13pm

My thesis is: these otherwise honourable public servants were imprisoned because it was a high-profile case
Ordinary people would have not been imprisoned, any evidence for this?

Did they share a cell?
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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Bonefishblues » 23 Jun 2018, 9:29pm

brynpoeth wrote:My thesis is: these otherwise honourable public servants were imprisoned because it was a high-profile case
Ordinary people would have not been imprisoned, any evidence for this?

Did they share a cell?

I think that their days of intimacy were behind them.

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby horizon » 23 Jun 2018, 11:04pm

thirdcrank wrote:It's been widely reported today that research by Co-operative Insurance suggests that a fifth of drivers have falsely admitted to being the driver of a motor vehicle during the investigation of an alleged offence to shelter another driver from the penalty points.



I have to say I'm not in the least bit bothered by this report. We have to be clear: is the driving ban a punishment for the offence committed (and therefore a deterrent) or is it a way of keeping said driver off the roads? If it is part of the punishment, then someone (their friend, partner) has been punished, a price paid and, eventually, a reckoning will occur in that the perpetrator will run out of willing accomplices (or they themselves will run out of space on their licences).

If, OTOH, the ban was intended as a way of keeping unsafe drivers off the road, then it has failed miserably because the ban is too short to be effective. I don't believe in any event that the courts use it in this way.

The whole system is so poor (never mind enforcing the ban itself) that this aspect of it is simply not worth worrying about.
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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Cunobelin » 24 Jun 2018, 11:12am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:@CB I don't doubt that, but we are becoming (have become) a one-trick pony in terms of road enforcement. Great that it's cheap, can be mechanised to a large extent, and of course the hundreds of thousands of offenders are proof that the roads are being policed (not Policed).

I think that the authorities are getting off scot-free here though, evidenced by how poor standards are becoming. Some of the suggestions on that site have merit, but first one must accept that there can be good amongst bad in order to see them.


I still would not look at the BNP site for advice on Race Relations.

OK, point taken, you believe that site's got no validity and must be ignored. I will look more broadly for ideas. Meanwhile the DoT must be p1ssing themselves laughing at how easy they get it. Keep pushing the button marked speeding and watch the happiness spread. Binary life's good because simple.



... and that is why the Safespeed site and its one trick pony is still dodgy. They, the Association of Bad Drivers (et al) have an agenda that is dubious and suspect

Lets look at an example where Police actually did start concentrating on pro driving and put Police (capital P) on he roads to clamp down... They used Smart Cars with video to focus on poor driving, misuse of Bus Lanes, Mobile phones and so on.

Exactly what has been posted bytes sites as the way forward.... so what happened:



Then from SafeSpeed's Site Admin....

I agree that we don't want bad parking and irresponsible or inconsiderate driving/parking but this over-enforcement with no notification that you have even committed any offence until you are weeks past the event is seriously unjust.


So actually doing something you asked for is now serious unjust?


... and lets not go as far as the concept that marked Police cars should not be allowed as they:
a. Cause motorists to look for Police Cars ass opposing to observing the road
b. They cause "panic braking" when a driver sees them, causing thousands of accidents a year
c. Police enforcing the law drives a wedge between them and "otherwise law abiding motorists.

Lets Face it - These sites are all about driving as you wish with no fear of censure.

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Bonefishblues » 24 Jun 2018, 1:30pm

I've seen the light. Thanks. :D

(Or, better put, I'm dipping out in good humour as we're poles apart and I'm not sure I'm going to bring any more light to this)

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Cunobelin » 24 Jun 2018, 2:56pm

I am quite prepared to admit a total bias against Safespeed

You may not remember the vitriolic and vicious attacks on cycling forums by Smith and his acolytes

I once dared to ask what his controls were on the infamous use of a stopwatch to time how long drivers were distracted by speed cameras. He refused to even confirm which stopwatch was measuring to thousandths of a second and also to discuss operator bias or whether he had a cohort or it was just himself doing the timing ... every post after that was a concerted and orchestrated attack that tried to bring down the website involved


Even more vicious and worrying was the publication on the site of personal details of a local Speedwatch campaign suggesting that they should be contacted and “asked to stop”

This site was run by someone who lied about their qualifications, and had a history of lying, vicious attacks on anyone who dared to question the “Messiah”
I should also add that I once had him removed from BBC local radio... he was being interviewed about speeding and quoting the normal tripe

A quick email to the station pointing out the “Avoid” page on the website and the dubious nature of his claims and he was promptly removed from the rest of the broadcasts

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Re: Swapping penalty points

Postby Bonefishblues » 24 Jun 2018, 3:09pm

He is long dead, aged 52 I read. Sometimes it's better to let it lie, perhaps?