Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

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Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby al_yrpal » 29 Jun 2018, 8:22am

After our campaign (steady rider and me)
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to get a close passing law onto the statute book and the wimpish unhelpful reaction of Cycling UK, looks what happening! You couldnt make it up…

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Postby thirdcrank » 29 Jun 2018, 8:32am

Law enforcement by media release.

At least twice previously, we've had something similar about close overtaking of cyclists and after a faint buzz of publicity it was back to normal.

Ditto middle lane hogging on the motorway.

The only surprise is the number of people who are taken in by this type of spin.

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Re: Well I never!!!

Postby RickH » 29 Jun 2018, 8:39am

You couldnt make it up…

You could & journalists often do (whether deliberately or not) ...

or at least give partial quotes that don't convey the same meaning as the person meant.

I also doubt that this was the entirety of what he said to the journalist and we don't know either exactly what was asked, possibly a leading question to get a particular response.

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Well I never!!!

Postby gaz » 29 Jun 2018, 9:53am

al_yrpal wrote:After our campaign (steady rider and me) to get a close passing law onto the statute book and the wimpish unhelpful reaction of Cycling UK, looks what happening! You couldnt make it up…

The 2016 Motion called for a legal minimum passing clearance. Our Trutees responded to the Motion with the following:
CTC Council disagrees with this motion. Council agrees that close overtaking should be tackled. It’s hazardous for cyclists and extremely intimidating. However, Council remains reluctant to specify a ‘headline’ overtaking distance because (for example) even 1.5m may not be enough in some circumstances and we don’t want to risk giving drivers the impression that it is.

The Highway Code (rather than the law) is better placed to explain optimum overtaking distances because it could state a standard minimum distance, and explain the circumstances in which more space is needed, e.g. on fast roads, in bad weather, etc. When the next revision is announced, we will campaign for various amendments, including clearer advice to drivers on overtaking.

The Members backed the Trustees position.

The current Cycling UK position remains that close overtaking should be tackled and that the police should use their existing powers to deal with the issue. Cycling UK have welcomed the approach taken by the West Midlands Police and continue to encourage other forces to follow suit. Cycling UK campaign for various amendments to the Highway Code at its next revision.

There is no legal minimum passing clearance, the article reflects Cycling UK's stance of campaigning to get current laws enforced.

You appear to be suggesting that this has nothing to do with the lobbying work of Cycling UK, I think you may be making it up.

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Postby PH » 29 Jun 2018, 10:32am

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Maybe the title could be how to turn a positive story negative, you couldn't make it up.

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Postby the snail » 29 Jun 2018, 11:20am

al_yrpal wrote:…. close passing law onto the statute book ....
Al

That's not happening though, is it? Seems like it's better guidance on interpretation of the law as it stands, better enforcement and education of drivers. Which is the correct approach imo. Time will tell how effective this is though.

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Postby Bez » 29 Jun 2018, 11:21am

The point that many of us made at the time was entirely consistent: that the issue is one of willingness to prosecute, not ability to do so; that close passing can be prosecuted with existing legislation and that a distance-based law is not only unnecessary but poses a number of risks, which include a lesser ability to prosecute.

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Postby thirdcrank » 29 Jun 2018, 11:45am

Looking at this from another angle, it's now quite some time since a couple of keen traffic officers in the WMP set up their close pass initiative. IIRC, one of the suggested barriers to this being extended nationally was a shortage of money for individual police forces to buy close passing mats. That was resolved by some very generous people who crowd-funded £15,000 to buy every police force its own mat. To their credit, the WMP traffic officers have persisted with this - as well as introducing a system for gathering and using video evidence captured by members of the public - although this was dismissed by some on here. The results in terms of improved cycling conditions are unclear.

Somewhat belatedly, a transport minister seems to be supporting the WMP initiative and if I've read the article in the OP correctly, it's also been taken up by Cambridgeshire. Bearing in mind that there are something like 43 territorial police forces in E&W, plus Police Scotland, perhaps the question the minister should be answering is why it's taken so long for him to support this project.
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PS CyclingUK has made a media release
https://www.cyclinguk.org/press-release ... g-cyclists

From that:-
A ComRes survey of 2,039 British adults revealed that 52% weren’t aware that the Highway Code recommendation is to give cyclists at least as much space as you would a car when overtaking.


Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the result of the close pass initiative.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby al_yrpal » 29 Jun 2018, 4:18pm

1 metre in urban 30mph areas and 1.5 metres elsewhere like the French demand. Until there is a 'must' law and all drivers are made aware of it and abide by it cylists will continue to be injured or die in significant numbers. Top marks to the Police forces taking this seriously. Nul points for Cycling UKs Chairman for using lazy proxy votes in the pretence of democracy to block a common sense cycle safety motion.

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Postby gaz » 29 Jun 2018, 4:40pm

al_yrpal wrote:1 metre in urban 30mph areas and 1.5 metres elsewhere like the French demand. Until there is a 'must' law and all drivers are made aware of it and abide by it cylists will continue to be injured or die in significant numbers.

Which police forces are campaigning for this to be made law? I'm certainly not aware of any, can you provide links?
al_yrpal wrote:Top marks to the Police forces taking this seriously.

As far as I can see you are suggesting top marks to the police forces who are enforcing existing traffic laws in a bid to keep cyclists safe on UK roads, which is the Trustees' position. I don't understand your continuing criticism of the Trustees on the matter.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby PH » 29 Jun 2018, 6:25pm

Here's Cycling UK keeping it in the headlights
https://www.bikebiz.com/news/half-of-al ... fe-passing

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Bonefishblues » 29 Jun 2018, 7:49pm

A feature on PM on R4 this evening too.

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Postby Bez » 29 Jun 2018, 7:53pm

I love the phrase "common sense". It tells you everything you need to know about someone's argument ;)

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Postby Cyril Haearn » 29 Jun 2018, 9:17pm

al_yrpal wrote:After our campaign (steady rider and me) rps20180629_081850_495.jpgto get a close passing law onto the statute book and the wimpish unhelpful reaction of Cycling UK, looks what happening! You couldnt make it up…

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Where was the article published?
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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Steady rider » 29 Jun 2018, 10:33pm

Asks for a legal requirement for minimum passing clearance when overtaking or near to cyclists, to try and reduce the frequency of vehicles passing too close. On roads with speed limits up to and including 30 mph/hr, a 1m minimum is suggested and on roads with higher speed limits, a 1.5m minimum passing distance is suggested.


The 2016 motion suggested specific legal minimum passing distances related to speed. The Highway Code does not specify minimum passing clearances so a lot of room exists for opinions. If set in legislation all drivers would soon become aware and it would have had an effect within a short time. If passed at the AGM it would have provided the base for detailed discussions with the DfT and discussions on changes to the HC. The police are willing to use mats with 1.5m to get there message across but Cycling UK Trustees failed to support the motion. I think they should have supported the motion and tried to take it forward. Cycling UK/Police/DfT may have arrived at precise wording suitable for legislation, Highway Code details and police guidance. Other people see it different and reply on legal points.