Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!


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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Steady rider » 5 Jul 2018, 8:51pm

The reason not to focus on enforcement relates to funding. It has been obvious for some years that a selection is used for enforcement, some issues get the go ahead. The Highway Code may be reviewed shortly and I would like to see improvements for cyclists. Levels of enforcement depends on funding and other aspects.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby al_yrpal » 5 Jul 2018, 9:41pm

There is a law against murder but the Police spend no time trying to enforce it. Too much waffle about enforcement here. Make a clear law with easily understood distances and many more motorists will abide by it. It will create debate and raise observance of the law, especially when people realise many cyclists have dashcams and are sending in footage of lawbreakers. A few high profile prosecutions will concentrate minds especially when points start to accumulate.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby gaz » 5 Jul 2018, 10:38pm

al_yrpal wrote:Too much waffle about enforcement here.

Would that be the same enforcement as you are describing as a necessary mechanism for compliance? :? .

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Postby The utility cyclist » 5 Jul 2018, 11:14pm

Bez wrote:I had a bunch of clarification yesterday via Twitter and email. Long story short:

- The issue of licensing appears to not to be a problem: Nextbase claim that no videos uploaded to NDSP go via their servers, and basically they've stuck the wrong T&Cs at the bottom of the page.
- The portal on the Hampshire site is indeed a national portal: the majority of forces are apparently intending to migrate to it.
- I'm not entirely sure how/whether the two portals will co-exist.

While we're here, let's check in on how the current legislation is performing:

https://twitter.com/wmprhrt/status/1014 ... 12352?s=21

;)

Aye but using experienced male riders as the yardstick whom are riding as technically as perfect as possible (as admitted by them in the twitter feed) isn't an accurate representation/cross section of people riding bikes. The standard of driving to trigger them (WMP) to act is far too low because of that. experienced riders/road users are very much prone to ignoring a fair % of crap driving, basically they are targeting the worst when actually it'd be at least every other driver that would be driving below the threshold of safe and considerate driving amongst a vulnerable road user.
let's see how many instances would be flagged up by putting a female officer in place, or an inexperienced male/female officer in place.
What if you were to put a child in that position, yeah, you can put your house on it they would feel fear of harm/alarm/distress in at least 80% of the overtakes, and I think that's conservative. Whilst they are doing a grand job for what they are doing/attempting to do it's still slanted in the motorists favour.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby thirdcrank » 6 Jul 2018, 6:16am

al_yrpal wrote:There is a law against murder but the Police spend no time trying to enforce it. Too much waffle about enforcement here. Make a clear law with easily understood distances and many more motorists will abide by it. It will create debate and raise observance of the law, especially when people realise many cyclists have dashcams and are sending in footage of lawbreakers. A few high profile prosecutions will concentrate minds especially when points start to accumulate.


That sounds to me like policing by media release, which is what we have already. It impresses those who are impressed by it.

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Postby al_yrpal » 6 Jul 2018, 7:03am

thirdcrank wrote:That sounds to me like policing by media release, which is what we have already. It impresses those who are impressed by it.


Personally dont care whether it is or not. If there are so few Police about like around here if a media release results in fewer cyclist deaths and injuries, bring it on…

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby thirdcrank » 6 Jul 2018, 11:43am

al_yrpal wrote: ...
Personally dont care whether it is or not. If there are so few Police about like around here if a media release results in fewer cyclist deaths and injuries, bring it on…


How does the number of police about in your area affect this?

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Steady rider » 6 Jul 2018, 12:57pm

Public awareness campaigns are a main way of achieving change.

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby reohn2 » 6 Jul 2018, 4:13pm

Steady rider wrote:Public awareness campaigns are a main way of achieving change.

It's not work for driving whilst on the phone :? :evil:
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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 6 Jul 2018, 4:18pm

reohn2 wrote:
Steady rider wrote:Public awareness campaigns are a main way of achieving change.

It's not work for driving whilst on the phone :? :evil:

It did allegedly work for drink-driving, what is the difference?

My spontaneous suggestion: back then many males had served in the forces where they had to be disciplined, obey orders and learned the difference between Right and Wrong :?

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Steady rider » 6 Jul 2018, 5:28pm

https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones- ... ng-the-law

You can get 6 penalty points and a £200 fine if you use a hand-held phone when driving. You’ll also lose your licence if you passed your driving test in the last 2 years.



I image this may have some effect.

http://think.direct.gov.uk/mobile-phones.html

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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 6 Jul 2018, 5:35pm

Steady rider wrote:https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

You can get 6 penalty points and a £200 fine if you use a hand-held phone when driving. You’ll also lose your licence if you passed your driving test in the last 2 years.



I image this may have some effect.

http://think.direct.gov.uk/mobile-phones.html

.. Can get..
.. If one is caught.. :?
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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Bez » 6 Jul 2018, 5:44pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
Steady rider wrote:Public awareness campaigns are a main way of achieving change.

It's not work for driving whilst on the phone :? :evil:

It did allegedly work for drink-driving, what is the difference?


Easy. The anti drink driving message was backed up with enforcement.

I believe research has shown that educational campaigns designed to improve driver behaviour have rarely/never had a statistically significant positive effect other than when they are backed up by enforcement.

It's not enough to appeal to people's benevolent nature, because even if people do take notice of it, the people who respond to these things generally won't be the ones who need to be reached. The highest risk people are the ones who largely don't give a toss about the risk they pose to others, and while they're not significantly influenced by a benevolent nature they are influenced by a realistic prospect of getting nicked, even if that influence isn't as strong as we might like. (These people are also, I would suggest, not going to be influenced by basically adding a number to an existing message.)

(I confess I fail to recall the source(s) to cite concerning the research but, given the general evidence basis for the counter argument, meh ;))
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Re: Close-pass prevention - Well I never!!!

Postby Bez » 6 Jul 2018, 5:48pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:My spontaneous suggestion: back then many males had served in the forces where they had to be disciplined, obey orders and learned the difference between Right and Wrong :?
Alternative facts welcome


My experience is full of alternative facts on that one. I don't think that theory holds water at all. (And since when being disciplined and obeying orders have anything to do with learning the difference between right and wrong? Have you forgotten the first half of the 20th century?)