East Ridng rural village under threat

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby pwa » 24 Sep 2019, 12:08pm

Pete Owens wrote:Certainly if your aim is to positively discourage people travelling to work on foot or by cycle and encourage private car use - then using planning rules to ensure that any development is well served by motorways rather than cycle routes is the way to go. This is most certainly the way planners think - which is why NIMBY protesters latch on to such concerns.

Incidentally the very same point you made about the retail development last October:
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=125900&p=1286335&hilit=bridgend#p1286335

Do you believe the staff, visitors and prisoners will be just from the local community? If so your point is valid. But usually prisons serve a wide region and draw staff from more than just the locality. I suggest that most arrivals each day will be from 10 or more miles away and will be by motor vehicle. Our local prison was put at a motorway junction for that reason.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Steady rider » 4 Jul 2020, 2:45am

Some prison staff travel about 30 to 40 miles each way, see the link for more details.
https://stamfordbridgebypass.wordpress. ... ll-sutton/

A revision of the National Planning Policy Framework and Planning law so that it gives equal rights of appeal for proposers and objectors in the planning process for major developments.

More than 3000 objections to the prison plans have no right of appeal. Boris wants to make planning easier for developers, understandable, but safeguards are also needed.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/loc ... ts-section

A compromise may be possible to use the site for an expansion of the existing prison to be more acceptable and have a better outcome and be cost effective. This would be a better plan rather than a mega Category C prison.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby pwa » 4 Jul 2020, 8:27am

Steady rider wrote:Some prison staff travel about 30 to 40 miles each way, see the link for more details.
https://stamfordbridgebypass.wordpress. ... ll-sutton/

A revision of the National Planning Policy Framework and Planning law so that it gives equal rights of appeal for proposers and objectors in the planning process for major developments.

More than 3000 objections to the prison plans have no right of appeal. Boris wants to make planning easier for developers, understandable, but safeguards are also needed.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/loc ... ts-section

A compromise may be possible to use the site for an expansion of the existing prison to be more acceptable and have a better outcome and be cost effective. This would be a better plan rather than a mega Category C prison.

I appreciate that the core of your objections is concern over transport issues in an area already suffering from an excess of traffic, but on one lesser point raised in your Stamford Bridge Bypass link, it would probably surprise many people just how visually unobtrusive a prison can be when masked by trees. Our local Parc Prison only goes up to three stories (as opposed to four in this case) but from three sides it is completely hidden behind a wall of trees, and when you are in the housing estate alongside you would not know it is there. If fast growing species are used and put in at an early point in the development, the visual impact could actually be small or even beneficial. Trees and other landscaping usually go in last, so it is worth pressing on this point if this development ever happens.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bridg ... 5?hl=en-GB
These houses are the closest to the prison and in spite of the fact that the prison is on higher ground, it is practically invisible to its neighbours.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Steady rider » 4 Jul 2020, 8:03pm

One submissions mentions;
The proposed height of the accommodation block of the prison is on four levels. The PC view is that this structure will be out of keeping in a rural location and that this should be reduced to three floors and that adequate screening is provided to minimise the impact on the nearby countryside. Also to help in keeping in line with the Neighbourghood environment that the lighting be kept to a minimum.


An 8m wide gap is required to be left for the sewage pipeline, and the security fences will be right up against Moor Lane. The current prison is on two levels and well set back from Moor Lane, therefore not a major problem, except for light pollution.

The nearest motorway is the M62 about 20 miles. The A64 is about 7 miles away but traffic on the A166 can cause long delays. Moor road and Moor Lane are used daily by cyclists and people walking or jogging.

Both outline plans were approved without an environmental impact assessment. The scale of the prison covering 50 acres and with 1440 inmates and hundreds of staff will cause more than 1000 vehicle trips per day. It would have a negative impact on the NCN route 66 and for local cyclists and those out from York. It would be in view from the Registered Battlefield. It will need power, water and have to dispose of sewage. The East Riding Council concluded it did not need an environmental impact assessment. I would question this conclusion.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Cyril Haearn » 4 Jul 2020, 8:16pm

Surely it could be built on grey land in Doncaster or Harrogate. A prison really should be near a train station so family can visit, many prisoners families are poor and can not afford a motor

Living near a prison might be plusminus, actually it could be an especially safe place. I do live near a prison actually (closed)
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby RickH » 4 Jul 2020, 11:13pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Surely it could be built on grey land in Doncaster or Harrogate. A prison really should be near a train station so family can visit, many prisoners families are poor and can not afford a motor

Living near a prison might be plusminus, actually it could be an especially safe place. I do live near a prison actually (closed)

There was an interesting piece on the BBC news during the week on the effect of the pandemic on prisons. Because visiting has been suspended entirely the prison in question (& possibly others) had instigated online visiting which had enabled some prisoners to have virtual visits where they never were able to have physical visits previously.

The governor commented that it was likely that the option of virtual visits would likely continue even when normal visiting was allowed again as it had been such a success.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Steady rider » 6 Jul 2020, 8:06pm

A small prison seems to be the way forward, see
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... -progress/

In the Full Sutton proposal 1440 inmates and 720 staff, roughly they expect about 450+ staff on site, nearly all will use cars, some may share, and about 100 visitors per day, 1000+ trips per day. Therefore virtual visits will most likely become more frequent but staff trips per day will still be high. It is a proposal for a mage prison very likely to do more harm than good and damage the local cycling routes and national cycle route 66.

There is insufficient scrutiny about the planned large prisons and their location.

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Steady rider » 11 Jul 2020, 6:56pm

I’ve made a petition – will you sign it?

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... TmYPzgYOfZ

My petition:

Revise planning laws for major planning developments.

For the Government to change the National Planning Policy Framework and Planning law so that in the case of major developments those objecting have a right of appeal.

If a planning proposal is refused, those submitting plans have three options of appeal, Written, Hearing or an Inquiry, whereas those opposing have no right of appeal. Major developments can affect thousands of people who may object for valid reasons but do not currently have a right of appeal. Providing a right of appeal would be fairer to the public and provide a safeguard where a major development should be reconsidered.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... TmYPzgYOfZ

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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Jul 2020, 8:43pm

RickH wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Surely it could be built on grey land in Doncaster or Harrogate. A prison really should be near a train station so family can visit, many prisoners families are poor and can not afford a motor

Living near a prison might be plusminus, actually it could be an especially safe place. I do live near a prison actually (closed)

There was an interesting piece on the BBC news during the week on the effect of the pandemic on prisons. Because visiting has been suspended entirely the prison in question (& possibly others) had instigated online visiting which had enabled some prisoners to have virtual visits where they never were able to have physical visits previously.

The governor commented that it was likely that the option of virtual visits would likely continue even when normal visiting was allowed again as it had been such a success.


The prisoners and their families especially their children generally don't consider virtual visiting a success. Easier for the staff perhaps.
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Re: East Ridng rural village under threat

Postby RickH » 11 Jul 2020, 10:38pm

Oldjohnw wrote:The prisoners and their families especially their children generally don't consider virtual visiting a success. Easier for the staff perhaps.

The prisoners in the piece seemed to appreciate it.

Yes real, physical visiting is better. But, where the choice is virtual visits or no visits (whether due to lockdown, where there were no visits from anyone, or practicalities of the family situation outside), I think the virtual option is way better than nothing. And it may mean a prisoner has some interaction with their children whare they might only see their partner on a physical visit.

I think it could be a valuable thing if kept as an option, with the emphasis very much on it being an option.