BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Cunobelin » 11 Feb 2019, 6:38am

brynpoeth wrote:That was an attempt at humour :wink:
Maybe mercedes are better
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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Feb 2019, 7:19am

Elsewhere on these pages it's always Audi drivers.

Prejudice and sweeping statements are without logic. The newspaper article was wrong in mentioning the brand sin the first instance.

Just like when a person caught up some criminal act is referred to as "..the blonde mother of three..." It adds nothing to the story of substance but always brings out prejudice.
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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Bonefishblues » 11 Feb 2019, 7:32am

Cunobelin wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
As above, I quoted this as an example of how perceptions change with the survey and how different vehicles have different problems

I can not verify the results, nor am I saying these are correct. It was offered as a discussion point in reply to a previous post

But if it is self-evident nonsense I'm not sure what value it has to illustrate a point.

I'll happily make some stuff up for you - what do you want to illustrate (mine will have the benefit of being statistically credible :D )


It illustrates that different surveys have different outcomes, and that there is no overall "bad marque" when it comes to driving

I'd like to agree with you, but I'm afraid that if it's flawed it's flawed, much as I would like it to support that proposition, with which I personally am in agreement.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby kwackers » 11 Feb 2019, 9:08am

Oldjohnw wrote:Prejudice and sweeping statements are without logic.

Not without logic no.

There are good evolutionary reasons for prejudice and stereotypes, just as there are good reasons for why status is such an important part of our psyche and why we choose the things we do.

We might not like it, but that's not a reason to dismiss it out of hand.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby reohn2 » 11 Feb 2019, 9:19am

Oldjohnw wrote:Elsewhere on these pages it's always Audi drivers.

Prejudice and sweeping statements are without logic. The newspaper article was wrong in mentioning the brand sin the first instance.

Just like when a person caught up some criminal act is referred to as "..the blonde mother of three..." It adds nothing to the story of substance but always brings out prejudice.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby thirdcrank » 11 Feb 2019, 10:13am

There seems to be a "back story" here which has gone unreported and probably explains the sentence.

Having said that and as I've suggested higher up, if there's a campaigning issue here - and the thread has been posted in the campaigning section - it's that demonstrable personal violence should be charged accordingly. Does it make any difference if an aggressor uses a posh car or a banger as a weapon?

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Bonefishblues » 11 Feb 2019, 10:17am

thirdcrank wrote:There seems to be a "back story" here which has gone unreported and probably explains the sentence.

Having said that and as I've suggested higher up, if there's a campaigning issue here - and the thread has been posted in the campaigning section - it's that demonstrable personal violence should be charged accordingly. Does it make any difference if an aggressor uses a posh car or a banger as a weapon?

Absolutely not - but my observation is that is seems to matter on this Forum to an unusual degree.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby reohn2 » 11 Feb 2019, 1:01pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:.....

. Does it make any difference if an aggressor uses a posh car or a banger as a weapon?

Absolutely not - but my observation is that is seems to matter on this Forum to an unusual degree.


I agree it shouldn't but my experiences tell me there are certain marques of car that seem to attract a higher percentage of aggressive drivers.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby thelawnet » 11 Feb 2019, 1:23pm

thirdcrank wrote:There seems to be a "back story" here which has gone unreported and probably explains the sentence.

Having said that and as I've suggested higher up, if there's a campaigning issue here - and the thread has been posted in the campaigning section - it's that demonstrable personal violence should be charged accordingly. Does it make any difference if an aggressor uses a posh car or a banger as a weapon?


I don't think there's any indication that this is a posh car rather than a banger. Rather, as I helpfully linked in my OP, and I'll repeat it here - https://www.facebook.com/Mega.Paul - the guilty driver expresses his personality with his cars, and not in a hot pink paint & fluffy dice sort of way, but rather in 'drivers cars' that are well-suited to fast cornering on country lanes.

Of his FB posts, roughly half of them are him posing in front of cars. Another post is him selling a Nissan Skyline GT-R, which as Top Gear provides (for the newer one but it's the same principle)

"The fastest car down an unknown road." "a legend that reliably minces cars twice the price." "quite possibly the fastest car in the world to drive cross-country."

It also provides in the news story that he did not see the cyclist because 'he had his head down', which again suggests that he is someone who sets out to buy cars intended to be chucked around corners, and then does that. Not to mention the er, previous driving ban for due care & attention.

This isn't anything to do with 'posh' cars, but rather that BMWs, Nissan Skylines, etc. are designed to go round corners at great speeds.

I have a Lexus, and while it might also be 'posh' (it's a bit old now, so not really), it doesn't do corners at all, if I tried to hurtle round the local B roads, it wouldn't be 'fun' at all, it's incredibly wallowy.

If owners of BMWs are triggered by the fact that some BMW drivers buy BMWs because they want to drive like go-karts well that's not my problem really.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby londoncommuter0000 » 11 Feb 2019, 2:54pm

It's almost certain that when a particular make of car is mentioned online when talking about a conviction or an incident, there will be the usual 'what's the make of car got to do with it?'

Well, the answer is - a lot.

A study by GoCompare at the end of last year found that drivers of Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar are more likely than anyone else to have at least one conviction.

If your car's a runaround - as our 8-year-old Peugeot is - then you just use it as a tool to get from A to B. If you go out and buy a fast, powerful, prestigious car then that's a different matter. Our purchases reflect our personalities. This is accepted for clothes, furniture, even food. Why is there this completely illogical refusal to accept that our choice of car is a reflection of our identity?

Not everyone who buys an Audi or a Mercedes or a BMW is an arrogant [expletive of your choice]. But more than a minority are.
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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Bonefishblues » 11 Feb 2019, 4:01pm

londoncommuter0000 wrote:It's almost certain that when a particular make of car is mentioned online when talking about a conviction or an incident, there will be the usual 'what's the make of car got to do with it?'

Well, the answer is - a lot.

A study by GoCompare at the end of last year found that drivers of Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar are more likely than anyone else to have at least one conviction.

If your car's a runaround - as our 8-year-old Peugeot is - then you just use it as a tool to get from A to B. If you go out and buy a fast, powerful, prestigious car then that's a different matter. Our purchases reflect our personalities. This is accepted for clothes, furniture, even food. Why is there this completely illogical refusal to accept that our choice of car is a reflection of our identity?

Not everyone who buys an Audi or a Mercedes or a BMW is an arrogant [expletive of your choice]. But more than a minority are.


Motor insurer issues survey introduced by fat singing bloke in slow news time, dealing in % terms, with raw data seemingly not available. Remember that GPs were, by a distance, the most dangerous drivers on Britain's roads said the fat bloke for 4 years. running.https://press.gocompare.com/news/bmw-dr ... n-uk-roads

What are your thoughts on the propensity of those vehicles not to be owned & funded by the drivers themselves, nor insured by them, nor indeed fuelled by them? What effect do you think that might have?

I'm not saying there's no merit in such surveys, but I'd really, really like to see some proper data on company cars and their accidents for instance - but you'll never get that from such surveys, because it's not about biting the hand that feeds you, is it?

BTW. More than a minority? Is that a majority? Nah, don't see that.

By way of declaration: One low-powered BMW in 2000 BTW, none of the other "bogey" marques in a 30+ year driving career.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby thirdcrank » 11 Feb 2019, 6:12pm

Shocking BBC reporting here
Dewsbury driver who used speed camera jammer jailed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47202419

No mention in the headline that he was driving a BMW

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Cunobelin » 11 Feb 2019, 6:24pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:But if it is self-evident nonsense I'm not sure what value it has to illustrate a point.

I'll happily make some stuff up for you - what do you want to illustrate (mine will have the benefit of being statistically credible :D )


It illustrates that different surveys have different outcomes, and that there is no overall "bad marque" when it comes to driving

I'd like to agree with you, but I'm afraid that if it's flawed it's flawed, much as I would like it to support that proposition, with which I personally am in agreement.



...or is it flawed?

Could be simply the size of the cohort?

If only two BMW drivers were interviewed, on a smoked / vaped and one didn't that would be 50%.

The survey is not flawed as it is 100% accurate.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby Bonefishblues » 11 Feb 2019, 7:41pm

Cunobelin wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
It illustrates that different surveys have different outcomes, and that there is no overall "bad marque" when it comes to driving

I'd like to agree with you, but I'm afraid that if it's flawed it's flawed, much as I would like it to support that proposition, with which I personally am in agreement.



...or is it flawed?

Could be simply the size of the cohort?

If only two BMW drivers were interviewed, on a smoked / vaped and one didn't that would be 50%.

The survey is not flawed as it is 100% accurate.

Well it would be if we could be sure that the survey method was reliable, yes. Then as you rightly say, we'd have to turn our attention to the way in which it had been used.

As I indicated in a reply to ano above, we must be careful to apply the same scrutiny to everything we forward to support or challenge something.

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Re: BMW driver walks free from court after deliberately running over cyclist

Postby brynpoeth » 11 Feb 2019, 7:49pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Elsewhere on these pages it's always Audi drivers.

Prejudice and sweeping statements are without logic. The newspaper article was wrong in mentioning the brand sin the first instance.

Just like when a person caught up some criminal act is referred to as "..the blonde mother of three..." It adds nothing to the story of substance but always brings out prejudice.

a**i makes some really nasty vehicles..

Read a road test of a Lada saloon a while ago, it was a bit tinny but had plenty of room for five grownups and their luggage, got them from a to b in comfort, cost € 7000. The motoring journalist turned back to his porno mag, the a**i catalogue, and noted that for € 7000 extra one could have ones vehicle in a particularly striking colour (probably that queer grey)

A**i stands for 'auch unter deppen in', 'also popular with idiots' :wink:

Would those posting here care to describe their vehicle so we can evaluate them?
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