More cycling? Less motoring?

Do you want more cycling?

Poll ended at 3 Apr 2019, 9:54am

Transfer from car to cycle, yes!
16
57%
Train/bus -> cycle, yes!
0
No votes
Better less motring not more cycling
2
7%
Yes, even with TDC
5
18%
No, there is plenty already
0
No votes
Not if TDC is involved
0
No votes
NIMBY!
1
4%
No
2
7%
Yes
2
7%
Don't know/no opinion (yet)
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 28

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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Feb 2019, 8:09am

flat tyre wrote:I'm not sure how it can be a tragedy. If taking your bike by car means you can get to pleasant cycling country then why is this a tragedy?

I think more motoring just-for-fun is a tragedy. I do not drive to cycle, I make that 'sacrifice', I just cycle and walk from home, occasionally take the train (once I wanted to leave my bike at the station, found nowhere to park, so I took it on the train :?)
Motoring cyclists use energy, cause pollution, danger just like other motorists

Today is sunny so lots of motrons will be going out 'for a drive' and complaining about not finding a place to park
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby S2L » 24 Feb 2019, 8:19am

brynpoeth wrote:
flat tyre wrote:What is TDC?

Tragedy of drive-cycling


Partly culpable... I tend to drive to most Audax events which are not within cycling distance (I kind of draw a line at 20 miles to the start= 40 miles round trip). Yesterday I did drive 60 miles round trip (I did cycle 75 miles). I would have trained, but the first train to arrive there was an hour after the Audax started, so not very helpful.

From Birmngham: Trips to Wales by train are pretty much impossible, with 3 trains a day on most lines and none on sundays.
Trips to the North are eye-watering expensive... 100 pounds for a ticket Vs 20-30 quid of petrol and the convenience of not having to book a hotel room. There is also a jungle of different regulations on bikes on board from different operators.

I have at least set a rule that the distance travelled needs to be less than the ride length, which means I only tend to travel to Wales and the North for 300-600 Km events.

I have a Brompton which I use for commuting and train+bike trips. I think if the Goverment was serious about the environment, then they should invest in infrastructure, especially local infrastructure. Rail transport in Wales is probably only marginally better than it was in Tudor times (when there were no trains) and certainly worse than it was in Victorian times.

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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Feb 2019, 8:24am

What a shame train travel is sometimes less convenient than driving
Some train journeys are much more attractive than driving, faster (to London for example), sometimes even cheaper

I am rather virtuous, I don't travel much at all :wink:
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Better to make motoring less attractive than to make train travel more attractive I think
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby Oldjohnw » 24 Feb 2019, 8:37am

The cyclng group I am in start most rides about 15 miles or sometimes more from where I live. I don't therefore do many group rides as I don't take the bike with the car save on holidays.
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Feb 2019, 8:38am

Cycling alone is better if one likes meeting strangers (I do)
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby Oldjohnw » 24 Feb 2019, 8:42am

Actually, I'm a miserable old git and prefer solo cycling anyway.
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Feb 2019, 8:45am

Me too, some people think I am a MOG maybe :wink:
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 24 Feb 2019, 10:44am

Hi,
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby reohn2 » 24 Feb 2019, 10:53am

flat tyre wrote:I'm not sure how it can be a tragedy. If taking your bike by car means you can get to pleasant cycling country then why is this a tragedy?

It isn't,though some think any use of a car is a tragedy :?
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby paddler » 24 Feb 2019, 1:04pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
paddler wrote:
RickH wrote:Top Dead Centre isn't it? The point where you adjust the tappet space on your engine, usually a few degrees before TDC. :lol:


Seem to remember using a dial gauge on my CB175 many years (decades! :shock:) ago for this - or would it have been for the timing with the points? Ugh, points!

I had a CB175 too :)
They had timing marks on crank rotor and cam for chain, so I don't think you ever needed a DTI.
A strobe would be needed pointing at the crank rotor IIRC for better timing, but just manual set up was normally ok.
I still have the manual so I might take a peek.

Yep got the manual, strobe as I tried it, was a waste of time, wet sump meant that if you ran the engine with the rotor cover off you got a eyeful of oil mist :P
Blew off my mates starfire he did not like that, he tuned the engine and it would rattle even more.
Wasn't the fact that his bike was british it was more being left behind by a smaller bike.


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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby S2L » 24 Feb 2019, 2:39pm

brynpoeth wrote:..
Better to make motoring less attractive than to make train travel more attractive I think



I disagree about making car journeys less attractive: Tax on fuel has not reduced road traffic in western Europe or in California... I suspect doubling the tax on fuel would have little effect again. You stop maintaining the roads, people will buy more SUVs... yet everybody travel from London to Birmingham and Manchester by train, because it's convenient... the challenge is to make the rest of the network attractive too

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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 24 Feb 2019, 4:37pm

Hi,
paddler wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
paddler wrote:
Seem to remember using a dial gauge on my CB175 many years (decades! :shock:) ago for this - or would it have been for the timing with the points? Ugh, points!

I had a CB175 too :)
They had timing marks on crank rotor and cam for chain, so I don't think you ever needed a DTI.
A strobe would be needed pointing at the crank rotor IIRC for better timing, but just manual set up was normally ok.
I still have the manual so I might take a peek.

Yep got the manual, strobe as I tried it, was a waste of time, wet sump meant that if you ran the engine with the rotor cover off you got a eyeful of oil mist :P
Blew off my mates starfire he did not like that, he tuned the engine and it would rattle even more.
Wasn't the fact that his bike was british it was more being left behind by a smaller bike.


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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Feb 2019, 7:44pm

reohn2 wrote:
flat tyre wrote:I'm not sure how it can be a tragedy. If taking your bike by car means you can get to pleasant cycling country then why is this a tragedy?

It isn't,though some think any use of a car is a tragedy :?

I think a substantial reduction in motoring is possible and desirable
I have a very small vehicle, TDC would be very inconvenient :wink:
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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby thelawnet » 24 Feb 2019, 11:29pm

S2L wrote:I disagree about making car journeys less attractive: Tax on fuel has not reduced road traffic in western Europe or in California... I suspect doubling the tax on fuel would have little effect again. You stop maintaining the roads, people will buy more SUVs... yet everybody travel from London to Birmingham and Manchester by train, because it's convenient... the challenge is to make the rest of the network attractive too


Well not really. If you live in central London and want to go to Birmingham, or if you specifically want to go to central London from Manchester then you might.

Fundamentally however it's quite difficult to make the train appealing. A car has an ownership & maintenance cost, but as it's deemed essential the marginal cost of a trip tends to be rather low. I was working out the cost of a trip to Antwerp and it's quicker, easier and cheaper by car compared with train, despite the presence of the Eurostar, as I would have to walk to the station with bags, then a train, then underground across London, then a train to Brussels then another one to Antwerp, then probably a taxi to my final destination.

Rail is mostly attractive in very urbanised countries such as Japan. Once you start trying to use it to go and visit the countryside or whatever it's a very poor relation.

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Re: More cycling? Less motoring?

Postby recumbentpanda » 26 Feb 2019, 12:12pm

I have visited quite a lot of countryside in Japan by train. For example, ‘Rabbit Train’ gets you from central Tokyo to Utsunomiya, and thus within taxi, bus or walking distance of much of the Kanto Plain. Further up the line and you can hike in the mountains of Nikko.