Cycling Promotion by Example

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby gaz » 21 Jul 2019, 10:52am

Oldjohnw wrote:I am looking to buy a small utility trailer for large shops and trips to the tip etc.

I find that trailer based quaxing trips attract a lot of friendly chat and enquiry. Must try a trip to the tip one day.
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby brynpoeth » 21 Jul 2019, 10:55am

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Jul 2019, 10:58am

gaz wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I am looking to buy a small utility trailer for large shops and trips to the tip etc.

I find that trailer based quaxing trips attract a lot of friendly chat and enquiry. Must try a trip to the tip one day.


I might add that as an almost 70 year old I hope to encourage fellow septuagenarians.
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Carlton green » 21 Jul 2019, 11:19am

gazza_d wrote:Cycling is like any other aspect of life, and try and treat others as you would like to be received yourself.

When on the bike, certainly for shorter hops, I wear normal clothes other than SPDs and mitts. I don't have any belief that helmets and hiviz provide any benefit anyway, but dressing up in PPE and hard hat doesn't project an image that cycling is safe and relaxing.

I started leading a series of fortnightly rides a few years ago which highlight and use traffic free routes in and around my town as much as I can. Once you get to know the place there is quite a decent hidden network that can be stitched together, and I want to pass that info on


Whilst cycling I almost never wear anything else except normal cloths, or what would pass as normal clothes. To my mind the wearing of visibly ‘special’ clothes puts a mental barrier (against them just getting onto a bike) into people’s minds.

I hadn’t thought of it before but organising rides for others to take part in really does make a difference, it certainly allows ‘you’ to present a good and empowering example (to the less experienced) of what can be done on a bike and how to do it. But for taking part in CTC club rides and reading the CTC magazine I would never have understood that you really can tour through France on your bike (I met and cycled with ordinary people who had and did) or do a trip deeeedep into the countryside and back in a day. Discovering that doing 120 miles on a bike in one day was possible, and by old guys too, was a real ‘eye opener’.

The mentoring of less experienced riders is so important, it does pass on skills and newer riders are also an advertisement to other potential cyclists too.

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby philsknees » 21 Jul 2019, 11:53am

Bonefishblues wrote:I understand that these Motons as you so amusingly term them are driven (see what I did there) into a frenzy by the mere sight of a bicycle, so you may experience a Pavolvian response to your displaying that sticker.


Point taken but I'd like to think its Lycra, not the cycle, that attracts the Pavlovian response. That's why I often look like a tramp on a bike!
(Incidentally can't claim credit for Moton, which features elsewhere in the forum. And here: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moton)

brynpoeth wrote:@philsknees
Best not to get out of your vehicle


Probably, but hard to turn the other cheek - after 50 years of city/urban driving (which used to be not at all unpleasant) the levels of driving (mis)behaviour I'm currently witnessing test me to the limit. Must be an age thing - like Oldjohnw & I suspect, many more on here I'm 70 next. It's frustrating that now I've the time to cycle rather than drive half the population of this city seems bent on ending my existence.

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Jul 2019, 11:57am

philsknees wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:I understand that these Motons as you so amusingly term them are driven (see what I did there) into a frenzy by the mere sight of a bicycle, so you may experience a Pavolvian response to your displaying that sticker.


Point taken but I'd like to think its Lycra, not the cycle, that attracts the Pavlovian response. That's why I often look like a tramp on a bike!
(Incidentally can't claim credit for Moton, which features elsewhere in the forum. And here: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moton)


I know, but we don't all have to follow the herd, and make ourselves look rather juvenile, do we :D

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Jul 2019, 5:00pm

I know that it is unfair that the avelotic judge us all by the misdeeds of a few, but they do, so I try always to obey the law and the HC.
I try to understand and anticipate the sometimes erratic actions of other road users, and manoeuvre with clarity and deliberation.
I think that to behave like this is also safer.
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby mjr » 21 Jul 2019, 6:08pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
philsknees wrote:+1 for gazza_d's comments:
"Cycling is like any other aspect of life, and try and treat others as you would like to be received yourself.
When on the bike, certainly for shorter hops, I wear normal clothes other than SPDs and mitts. I don't have any belief that helmets and hiviz provide any benefit anyway, but dressing up in PPE and hard hat doesn't project an image that cycling is safe and relaxing."

And when driving I try to be extra-considerate to the cyclists I encounter on my local busy urban roads but often suffer the ire of impatient following motons who I may unintentionally discommode as a result (maybe if they're that busy and consider their progress to be so important that endangering the life of a cyclist isn't an issue we should supply them with blue lights & sirens......).
In frustration I've just ordered a couple of these: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/4641563 ... -car-decal to put in the back window of the cars I drive. Hopefully they'll then know what I'm about, or if they catch me on a bad day, why I'm getting out of my vehicle to have a word!
Whatever, it's no bad thing to let other drivers know you're a cyclist too. It may even influence their attitude and follow my example - those that even care!

I understand that these Motons as you so amusingly term them are driven (see what I did there) into a frenzy by the mere sight of a bicycle, so you may experience a Pavolvian response to your displaying that sticker.

I do hope so. I like pavlovas and would cheerfully accept one!
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby brynpoeth » 21 Jul 2019, 6:23pm

Motons, motards, motrons, mortons, motroids, moturds &c etc, of course we have derisive names for criminals who endanger us
(Won't bother using the word 'terror' here to avoid upsetting cyclists who drive)

No nasty names for walkers though, PoF is just descriptive, they are people like us, PoB, PoF, very similar words
Apart from PwDs people with dogs, groups of joggers are occasionally troublesome, I am glad I live in a small city where there are few joggers
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Vorpal » 21 Jul 2019, 6:58pm

brynpoeth wrote:Only a policeperson in uniform may direct traffic, you cannot 'know' it is safe, I would not trust you or anyone to decide for me

If you are in the practice of trying to wave others out, trying to direct traffic, I earnestly hope the cops see you and give you a good talking to

Actually anyone may stop and direct traffic. It is not an offence to ignore them unless it is a police officer, or someone given the authority through the Community Safety Accreditation scheme, such as a lollipop person, accredited marshall, etc.

There may be situations where it is appropriate for anyone with the skills and understanding to stop and direct traffic in an emergency, at least until emergency service arrive.

Those observing such direction must, of course use their own judgement about whether it is safe to obey.
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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Mike Sales » 21 Jul 2019, 7:06pm

Vorpal wrote:Actually anyone may stop and direct traffic. It is not an offence to ignore them unless it is a police officer, or someone given the authority through the Community Safety Accreditation scheme, such as a lollipop person, accredited marshall, etc.

There may be situations where it is appropriate for anyone with the skills and understanding to stop and direct traffic in an emergency, at least until emergency service arrive.

Those observing such direction must, of course use their own judgement about whether it is safe to obey.


We were out on a club run, in those narrow, intricate and undulating lanes north of the A5 and east of the Conwy.
We met a long line of cars trying to thread their way through this small scale and charming country. The lanes were so narrow that passing them on a bike needed a slow speed scooting.
When we got down to the A5, near the Ffynnon Arian we found a helpful man directing all the traffic held up by an accident which blocked the road into this green maze.
I still wonder how long it took for these drivers to extricate themselves. Perhaps some are there yet.

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Re: Cycling Promotion by Example

Postby Vorpal » 21 Jul 2019, 7:11pm

Carlton green wrote:
I hadn’t thought of it before but organising rides for others to take part in really does make a difference, it certainly allows ‘you’ to present a good and empowering example (to the less experienced) of what can be done on a bike and how to do it. But for taking part in CTC club rides and reading the CTC magazine I would never have understood that you really can tour through France on your bike (I met and cycled with ordinary people who had and did) or do a trip deeeedep into the countryside and back in a day. Discovering that doing 120 miles on a bike in one day was possible, and by old guys too, was a real ‘eye opener’.

The mentoring of less experienced riders is so important, it does pass on skills and newer riders are also an advertisement to other potential cyclists too.

I used to lead 'health rides' from the local co-op. One of the health sisters at the surgery suggested it, and said they had a number of folks who needed to exercise more. So, we put up notices in the surgery & village hall, and I started doing them weekly, then twice a week. It was very satisfying, and I had one middle aged gran who was obese & asthmatic who could barely cycle to the edge of the village and back. After a few months, she was able to cycle five miles to the next village and back (with a tea stop). She was incredibly proud of herself, and I was really pleased for her.

I don't live there anymore, but the last time we visited, she was still cycling around the village to go to church and do the shopping, and she'd lost quite a lot of weight.
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