Cugel wrote: mjr wrote:
Cugel wrote:Let city dwellers who want to use a car outside the city keep their car outside of the city, cycling or bussing to access it. That might solve a lot of the tin-litter problem of thoroughfares clogged up by pavement-parking cars, as well as the death, maiming and pollution issues.
Wouldn't that just create Radburn-estate-style problems on a much bigger scale? Including (but not only) cities ringed by disaster areas of parking wastelands where the more unruly children go to play among vandalised vehicles.
Secure parking facilities are impossible, eh?
Not impossible but expensive and I can't think of a single "keep their car outside" residential area which has only secure parking provided, can you? I've lived in a couple and expensive-yet-undermaintained parking areas are the norm. There would probably be very heavy pressure for cheaper parking and I expect the market will provide in some way, like how illegal cheap farm field parking springs up around airports with expensive car parks. Then the costs of enforcing the law against those may well make the amounts you'd want for better roads policing seem trivial.
Also, isn't it just another form of moving the car problems around, clearing the city of car parking but dumping this litter/visual pollution problem onto parking zones in the countryside around the city? Maybe the car parking should be provided at the power stations generating the electricity for electric vehicles, combining all our village-[rude word removed]
ing into one easy eyesore?
Let's just keep on killing them naughty child vandals with exhaust gases then.
That's a false dichotomy fallacy, m'lud.
Meanwhile, planner-vandals can knock down all sorts to make your extensive cycling facilities. Of course, the cyclists, vandal-children, vandal-planners and everyone else in the cities will still be getting gassed by car; the car-borne and pavement-borne humans will still be getting winnowed via "accidents"; tin litter will continue to spread, perhaps on to the cycle paths (gotta park somewhere).......
Don't knock down: take it from the car-ways where possible, which would reduce the gassing and winnowing and eventually the littering. It's such an obvious logical step towards better places (not the ideal by itself, though) that I can see why opponents of cycleways have to rely on various logical fallacies.