Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

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Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby visionset » 26 Sep 2019, 4:03pm

Or rather pedestrians behave like it is a law like the US. It seems default behaviour in everyone younger than a certain age. Must adhere to the green man. Car take precedence. When you couple this with reduced cycling on actual roads for essentially the same reason. I've said it before but this mentality is a real threat going forward. The jaywalking thing, I've only noticed it recently really since my work has moved back into a city. Surely you just cross the road when you judge it safe, not wait an age for lights? Not so it seems, I watch these people cos the behaviour seems so strange, so I'm not mistaken. The only people with the right kind of attitude seems to be the homeless. Anyone else noticed this?

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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby Syd » 26 Sep 2019, 4:10pm

The only people I have noticed behave like that round here (City of Edinburgh) are the tourists. Local just behave as normal.... crossing the road anywhere with their phone stuck in their face

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Postby mjr » 26 Sep 2019, 4:15pm

Nope. Despite government badgering, people still cross freely in Norfolk else we'd die of old age. I don't know whether people in Norwich still walk out into traffic and stare down the motorists on anything less than an A road because cars are increasingly discouraged from entering the city centre.
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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby visionset » 26 Sep 2019, 4:30pm

Well maybe most still do and it is just a few that really stand out. I'll have to take a video. Maybe it is because of screen gazing that speed perception, judgment etc is now really poor, so they take more care. (when not on snapchat or whatever)

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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby Mick F » 26 Sep 2019, 7:17pm

Cross the road.
Just cross it.
Green Cross Code works, and before that, we had ...........

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Postby brynpoeth » 26 Sep 2019, 7:50pm

Never trust a morton to obey the law
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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby The utility cyclist » 26 Sep 2019, 9:28pm

Mick F wrote:Cross the road.
Just cross it.
Green Cross Code works, and before that, we had ...........

Look right, look left, look right again. If the road is clear, quick march!


Which is kind of the point, people cannot walk freely, always having to watch out and wait or get killed/squished = jaywalking = victim blaming occurs, all stemming from motorists being allowed to travel at speed with barely any abatement.

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Postby Mick F » 27 Sep 2019, 8:04am

Don't blame motorists.

I understand there were more people killed on the roads BEFORE the advent of the motorcar.
Horse-drawn vehicles were the killer.
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Postby Mike Sales » 27 Sep 2019, 8:30am

Mick F wrote:Don't blame motorists.

I understand there were more people killed on the roads BEFORE the advent of the motorcar.
Horse-drawn vehicles were the killer.


It's not surprising many were killed. Have you seen the old photos. Pedestrians used the whole of the road as if they had a right to it!
When the car came along it took a few years, but eventually we learned who owns the roads.

Each pedestrian crossing the road was right to think that they were much safer doing so than they would think today, and so many more wandered across and they took less care doing so. There were many more "targets".

Nowadays our movements are much more constrained.

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Postby ossie » 27 Sep 2019, 6:49pm

I had no idea that if you pressed the button and the traffic cleared after you press it, the lights won't change. I guess that's down to the detector things on top.

Its clever but for someone raised in a country where jaywalking is illegal it kind of goes against the grain.

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Postby The utility cyclist » 27 Sep 2019, 7:29pm

Mick F wrote:Don't blame motorists.

I understand there were more people killed on the roads BEFORE the advent of the motorcar.
Horse-drawn vehicles were the killer.

This tells me you simply don't get it, you think might is right and that those with might have greater priority and entitlement to travel unencumbered than people getting in the way whom are much more vulnerable/have less might, and if they get in the way and get hurt it's their fault, not the person who is travelling in a carriage that kills/maims with impunity ... :roll:

as a person who rides a bike I thought you would understand how that is massively wrong, seemingly not!

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Postby brynpoeth » 27 Sep 2019, 8:04pm

ossie wrote:I had no idea that if you pressed the button and the traffic cleared after you press it, the lights won't change. I guess that's down to the detector things on top.

Its clever but for someone raised in a country where jaywalking is illegal it kind of goes against the grain.

I sometimes think the lights are controlled by a random number generator, occasionally they change immediately, mostly they take several minutes, or they wait until there is no morton traffic to hold up :?
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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby brynpoeth » 27 Sep 2019, 8:04pm

What is the legal situation in other countries?
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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby Ellieb » 27 Sep 2019, 9:51pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Mick F wrote:Don't blame motorists.

I understand there were more people killed on the roads BEFORE the advent of the motorcar.
Horse-drawn vehicles were the killer.

This tells me you simply don't get it, you think might is right and that those with might have greater priority and entitlement to travel unencumbered than people getting in the way whom are much more vulnerable/have less might, and if they get in the way and get hurt it's their fault, not the person who is travelling in a carriage that kills/maims with impunity ... :roll:

as a person who rides a bike I thought you would understand how that is massively wrong, seemingly not!

Alternatively: People using different forms of transport need to realise that we all have to get along together, if we are all going to get where we are going in safety. I won’t wander aimlessly into the road if you don’t drive on the pavement. I’ll pay attention when I’m riding my bike, if you’ll treat me with courtesy & consideration. Being on foot doesn’t make me morally superior in the same way ‘paying road tax’ doesn’t give you more right to use the public highway.

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Re: Jaywalking is now a thing in the UK

Postby Mike Sales » 27 Sep 2019, 10:01pm

Ellieb wrote: if you don’t drive on the pavement


...or claim the right to occupy the pavement whenever you see fit?

I have been walking on the pavement when a driver steers onto it and expects me to clear the way for him!
And it is routine to be forced into the road by parked cars blocking the pavement. After all, we all have to get along.