kwackers wrote:The utility cyclist wrote:e-bikes/e-scooters should be limited to 12mph, this is more than adequate, it will also increase range and not reduce the users ability to go faster under their own steam. 'Free' speed/propulsion and how this affects the way people think seems to have been completely missed here, there's no surprise that e-bikes have seen significant rises in deaths in Germany and NL (the two biggest users) and the speed/acceleration is a contributory factor.
I think the limit should be increased to 30mph so we'll split the difference and call it 21.
12mph is a waste of space.
You either want low power electric vehicles or you don't.
What you seem to want is a ban but want to sound "reasonable" by simply advocating a limit so low nobody would want one, essentially turning them into toys.
Outright free speed as we see already with e-cyclists and moped users etc equals more incidents, even worse when that free speed is given to people not used to it, don't need it and can't handle the acceleration nor grasp the braking distances of speeds they were unable to attain previously. For the existing faster cyclists, wether it be 12mph or 15.5 it makes little difference in enjoyment or ability to get places, it does increase the range.
There is no downside to reducing the max speed, I'm not banning anything at all, I'm suggesting this makes it safer wich is primarily the main aspect, it would be more acceptable at that lower speed thus making it more accessible, more usable for the types of people that e-bikes are supposedly aimed at as it allows people to go further with assistance.
That isn't motorists by the way as e-bikes have not changed the numbers of drivers in any way shape or form in Germany or NL, in fact in the period since e-bikes have become a big deal, both these countries have seen cycling stagnate (NL) and in Germany's case, go backward.