Bmblbzzz wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:Bmblbzzz wrote:The "product of labour" point is a bit of a red herring in the context of land access, IMO, as is the ownership. It's the use that's more relevant.
So explain what is so special about use that means the landowner should not have the right of ownership? What uses are legitimate and which are not?
You see this to me sounds of political ideology. Another thing to clobber the rich over perhaps. Unless someone can give a coherent argument as to why some property is ok but others isn't I'll just assume it's ideology of envy over a coherent viewpoint.
And R2 you can take note of that because our period if repeated agreement seems to have ended!
I'm talking about access. Whether access is reasonable (I'm saying nothing about the law) is more linked to what the land is used for than its ownership. All land is owned by someone (in the UK at least). If the land is an arable field, it's probably not reasonable to walk through the middle of it, even if that's where the footpath goes on the definitive map etc; walk round the edge instead. Similarly, avoid certain livestock. If it's a garden or, say, a factory, it's not reasonable to walk through it at all.
But if it's a grouse moor you're ok to walk through it disturbing the birds during hunting season when they're cropping or getting close to cropping? There's probably no way you can grow arable crops up there but you can grow above normal levels of grouse then make money from people who like to shoot it. It's rural employment as much as a few guys running a few tractors and a combine harvester.
Could you be applying a value judgment on the paying customers at three expense of the "farmers" being employed to farm the land with grouse?
Then there's the shooting estates that operate on arable or other use land. Partridge, pheasant are often bred on land being used for other farming product. Partridge AIUI is often shot on arable land after cropping. An extra income too. I had family who worked in a rural area and the local shoot was a lifesaver for their annual income. Plus they practically lived off pheasant during the shooting season. That's in Wiltshire over the hill from Stonehenge on land being farmed alongside the shooting.
It's really not as black and white as painted. Easy not to understand these things. I mean not many people are part of this activity.